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[–] todotoro@midwest.social 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I am a container evangelist, I find excuses to convert my jobs into Kubernetes workloads, and I frequently use the likes of podman for one off apps/processes and development. I use Flatpak frequently to isolate dependencies for the likes of Steam and Heroic.

I really wanted to like Bazzite or Bluefin, but I can't deal with the overhead from the rpm os-tree updates. I would frequently notice hitches for my use case (sunshine streaming), and the hoops I had to do to configure Nvidia drivers (for it to then not work as good as other distros) was tiresome.

I went back to Arch (EndeavourOS), and I improved sunshine performance and had a driver that worked with less fiddling.

I'm saying all this because, while I'm glad to see any Linux distro grow, I hope it starts delivering what it says on the tin eventually without compromises that I experienced. Markering on it being immutable and container focused is true, but I dont see the benefit (aside from more stability which as others pointed out, is already stable is most cases)?. Right now, its a simple to configure (assuming most defaults work for your setup) distro that is finding a growing niche amongst some users (obviously by the data shown). And thats good enough for now at least.

[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

The removal of KDE Discover has me considering going back to plain Kinoite on my HTPC. I figure I can build a sysext with the handful of bazzite bits I actually use and keep the unbutchered plasma experience

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Would you be willing to say more about what you know / experienced about the removal of Discover? Preferences included? I only noticed it recently, been away from things for a bit, and you sound like your brief info would probably be at least as fruitful as the reading I was gonna look for :)

[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

the ublue project / bazzite decided to make their own flatpak first app store called Bazaar. Fair enough its their distro. However they created it with GTK4/Adwaita libraries, so its a Gnome native app and looks completely ugly on a KDE Plasma desktop. Also as a flatpak first app store it doesn't update anything else on your machine like what discover is capable of (cant update ostree, knew stuff etc). This means you have to use the ujust terminal app to access updates, which I dont agree with.

I think technically you could layer it back in with rpm-ostree install kdediscover - however this pulls back a couple of hundred meg of plasma dependencies, which if you're not aware, when you update your system would be redownloaded and reinstalled with each new ostree snapshot, slowing down the update process even further. I I tried doing it as a sysext (myrepo) but it keeps segfaulting and I havent worked out the issue. Sysexts are new experienmental alternative to package layering which hold a lot of potential (check out tim ravier's development of them here https://travier.github.io/fedora-sysexts/)

[–] quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 27 minutes ago* (last edited 26 minutes ago)

You don't use the terminal to do updates, updates are automatic by default.

We also completely removed discovered his ability to update OSTree. It's never been present in a single build of Bazzite.

This is why I don't pay attention to people that complain about toolkits. You don't like the way it looks so you make up absolutely disingenuous points to argue about it.

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

There's a toggle for the store in ujust command iirc

[–] quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 25 minutes ago

Only on Aurora, we don't ship that.

[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I couldnt see one - I also dont want to layer it, because it will pull in a couple of hundred megs of kde dependencies every time you update. I tried doing it as a sysext (myrepo) but it keeps segfaulting and I havent worked out the issue

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Sysexts are something I've been meaning to get in to. Have you had much success in general with them?

[–] bilb@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 hours ago

I had been using Aurora-dx, but I also like to play games, so I re-based to Bazzite-dx when it became available.

[–] brownmustardminion@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Lots of shit-talking Bazzite...

I don't game much but when I do it's on Fedora.

What distro do you all recommend for my Windows buddy looking to switch to gaming on Linux?

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

CachyOS might be the easiest one that gives you something decent. It's basically an Arch Linux with slightly better compiler optimizations and tweaked kernels. Also a tweaked version of proton in the core repos.

Started by a German dude so EU++ or something. And of course it's based on Arch Linux, which was started by a Canadian dude.

It's on top of distrowatch too, but I have no idea what that implies.

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Easy installer too.

[–] EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Bazzite is the option for Windows converts that want a gaming focused Linux desktop. A lot of people are going to nitpick it to death, because they want "Literally Windows but without Microsoft". Which isn't happening while Linux has the market share it has. You either accept a few annoyances (while advocating for those annoyances to be fixed), or go back to Windows and accept Microsoft's authoritarian control of your computer.

Bazzite is a solid desktop that's going to be really hard for a regular user to break, comes with Steam, Lutris, and Heroic built in, proprietary nvidia drivers installed, and is based on Fedora (Modern, stable, well supported).

The only downside is KDE can be really easy to break if you're a new user unfamiliar with how customizing it works, but if you leave it default you're fine.

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago

Just in the name of completeness, I wouldn't say that's the only downside. I definitely have some stability issues with Bazzite, only when gaming though. But game crashes, occasional OS crashes, that hasn't been exactly rare for me. But I will say, gaming is about the one thing in my life I'm almost unwilling to troubleshoot these days. Could be something specific to my setup that is uncommon for others, making my data point unhelpful.

And by and large, I'd absolutely recommend it for any Windows user who wants an easily transferable user experience and broadly fantastic gaming support with minimal fuss.

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 4 points 17 hours ago

People just don't like it because it's different and uses new tech

[–] BehavioralClam@lemmy.ml 1 points 18 hours ago

PopOS/Cosmis has native Nvidia support, works perfectly out of the box

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I will hypothesize why:

Bazzite is the Trendy Distro Of The Month, like Peppermint or Endeavor or Nobara or a frillion others. CachyOS is apparently next. Nearly constantly, you'll hear about some trendy new distro which is a fork of Ubuntu or Fedora or Arch that has a feature or two targeted at newcomers or gamers, and for awhile it gets heavily recommended on Reddit or Lemmy, then you stop hearing about it forever as the rest of the ecosystem adopts that feature or fixes the thing that feature was meant to be worked around, and then the cycle repeats.

Bazzite is targeted toward gamers, it emphasizes a solid onboarding experience with a configurator to choose/build your install media based on what you want to do with it, do you want a handheld or home theater experience or a keyboard and mouse desktop? Do you want it to boot to SteamOS or to a DE? Which DE? What hardware do you have? So their gimmick is to steer users through the initital config and setup process. Which as gimmicks go, that one is pretty solid.

MEANWHILE

Fedora's Atomic editions have no gimmicks at all. You have to independently learn that immutable distros exist, independently decide you want that, and then go hunting on their website through their godforsaken marketing wank to find it.

Fedora likes their bullshit branding. You go to their website, and there are big buttons for Fedora Workstation right next to Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop. "Workstation" does not mention that it's just the Gnome version. You have to stroll further down, past server, IoT and "Core" versions, to a section that looks visually different labeled "More Fedora Options" including Atomic and Spins. You're a new Linux user, you've just used the OS that came with your computer your whole life, explain to me what the difference between Core and Atomic is and why you should choose one over the other?

The Atomic versions, which is kind of a synonym for "immutable", you click on that, and you're presented with five options: Fedora Silverblue, Fedora Kinoite, Fedora Sway Atomic, Fedora Budgie Atomic, and Fedora Cosmic Atomic Nowhere in its name or description does Silverblue mention that it's the Gnome desktop one. Kinoite starts with a K and also mentions in the description it's the KDE atomic version. Also, "kinoite" is a godawful word, they should have gone with Kyanite instead, which is a different blue crystal. Or they should have just called it KDE Atomic or Plasma Atomic. The others just put the DE's name in the title LIKE A NORMAL PERSON, ROWAN.

[–] EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 21 hours ago

That's a really dismissive way to say "It's an OS built to fit a demand that wasn't being met by the other distros".

[–] spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 22 hours ago

I am wary about invoking Apple here, but say what you will about the company, there's a lot of value in a braindead setup process. Many, many users just want something that just works - it was literally something I asked for when Linux was recommended to me (knowing some hate Ubuntu, I'll out myself: using Ubuntu Budgie - setup was super simple. I guess there must be demand for that niche in the broader Linux community, so that's a very smart move by Bazzite.

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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 72 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Bazzite is not growing because it's immutable.

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[–] b34k@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just installed it at the start of the month on an older PC for a console-like experience in my living room. Only 2 issues really have me disappointed (and I’m not sure there’s much Bazzite can do about them)

  1. No HDMI 2.1 support from my AMD card (like seriously, wtf? Had I known that I probably would have dropped a 9060 XT in instead of a 9070XT)

  2. No real wake in controller support for my FlyDigi or Xbox Series controllers. I’ve messed around in udev and found no solutions.

If they can figure those things out, I’d be much more impressed with the experience…. For now it just feels like another FOSS compromise to the product you actually want (PS5 Pro)

[–] stuner@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, the former is not possible due to asinine requirements by the HDMI Forum: https://www.phoronix.com/news/HDMI-2.1-OSS-Rejected The only option is to use DisplayPort instead (or perhaps an adapter).

[–] b34k@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, my living room TV has only HDMI in, no DP. I tried the adaptor route, but it was horribly unstable… sometimes providing perfect signal, sometimes cutting to a black screen for a second or 2, every 5-10 seconds. Either way, VRR is wholly unsupported by the adaptor.

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 hours ago

Unfortunately nothing that can be done about it unless someome creates an "illegal" kernel module which supports HDMI 2.1 despite the lack of license. That's basically the only hope right now (and I'm all for it).

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