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An overview of what makes modern CSS so awesome.

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I believe a lot of the negativity towards CSS stems from not really knowing how to use it. Many developers kind of just skip learning the CSS fundamentals in favor of the more interesting Java- and TypeScript, and then go on to complain about a styling language they don’t understand.

My negativity towards CSS is that it was made by people who used to style newspapers and the terminology plus way of thinking was just copy-pasted to the digital world where things aren't the same. For example, the display property has so many values that I don't understand... same goes for position and a bunch of other properties and how they interact. Sometimes setting one property can completely invalidate another one. position, display and width or height are examples of that.

The major problem with CSS is that it's a language which requires a lot of memorisation, not understanding. Unlike programming languages where you can reason why things have to be written a certain way from a point of understanding, with CSS the why is often "because it worked that way when I tried it".

To understand why certain things work or don't in CSS, you have to understand typesettings,maybe color theory, browser history, and a bunch of other things. It's not a surprise that most people memorise CSS stuff.

I compare it to our current school system: it's very good for people who can/enjoy memorizing things (at least until the test). For those who care more or are better at understanding and reasoning, it is hell. CSS is like our school system.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
  • you've never needed javascript
[–] python@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I bookmarked another post from this community that might relate nicely!
It's time for modern CSS to kill the SPA

Haven't gotten to trying all the cool css stuff in my own projects yet, but it certainly sounds interesting :D

[–] vermaterc@lemmy.ml 3 points 23 hours ago

And there is also https://plainvanillaweb.com/index.html that teaches how to replace js frameworks with what modern browsers offer right now.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago
:root {
  color-scheme: light dark;
  --text: light-dark(#000, #FFF);
  --bg: light-dark(#EEE, #242936);
}

Hmm, I guess the advantage of that over

@media (prefers-color-scheme: dark) {
    /*set different values for variables*/
}

is that you can set the color scheme via a button much more easily then.

Had to think about that for a moment, because the old way of doing things seemed fine, but that is a pretty good reason, I guess.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I wish there was a comprehensive resource for CSS. I’ve known for a very long time that I don’t know the half of it. But randomly clicking through the MDN topics has a very [Edit: ~~low~~ high] cost to benefit ratio. Where do you learn about the gems of CSS without getting bogged down by the obscure topics like text-emphasis-style?

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

Josh W Comeau is a great resource to understand CSS.

CSS Tricks I don't visit regularly, but have occasionally seen neat examples. I presume someone less experienced or more "see by individual or small examples" finds it more useful than I.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

with so many wasm frameworks you can use any language you like

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That’s great and wonderful, except some of those things don’t work on an iPhone. As long as Apple is holding back the industry, we’ll have to use JS for some things.

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or just say fuck them and refer them to Apple customer service when they start complaining since it's an Apple issue not platform issue.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you work as a web dev? Flipping off 20% of your user base doesn’t exactly land you jobs.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd guess a large portion here are hobbyists, and I'm totally fine with showing 20% of random people the consequences of their choices, as it has no actual impact on anyone, and a lot of professionals have to adhere to company standards, so going JS-less isn't even an option anyway.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

random people the consequences of their choices

These random people aren't aware of the consequences of their choices and shouldn't be punished for them. But at the same time, Apple needs to feel some pressure. But I doubt that regular users are going to go to Apple's customer service and complain about sites that aren't working on their phones. People just don't do that. It's a tricky conundrum.

[–] BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com 6 points 1 day ago

Yes, why is Apple still tying Safari updates to iOS's in 2025? Android's WebView can be updated from the Play Store.