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Linux phones are still behind android and iPhone, but the gap shrank a surprising amount while I wasn’t looking. These are damn near usable day to day phones now! But there are still a few things that need done and I was wondering what everyone’s thoughts on these were:

1 - tap to pay. I don’t see how this can practically be done. Like, at all.

2 - android auto/apple CarPlay emulation. A Linux phones could theoretically emulate one of these protocols and display a separate session on the head unit of a car. But I dont see any kind of project out there that already does this in an open-source kind of way. The closest I can find are some shady dongles on amazon that give wireless CarPlay to head units that normally require USB cables. It can be done, but I don't see it being done in our community.

3 - voice assistants. wether done on device or phoning into our home servers and having requests processed there, this should be doable and integrated with convenient shortcuts. Home assistant has some things like this, and there’s good-old Mycroft blowing around out there still. Siri is used every day by plenty of people and she sucks. If that’s the benchmark I think our community can easily meet that.

I started looking at Linux phones again because I loathe what apple is doing to this UI now and android has some interesting foldables but now that google is forcing Gemini into everything and you can’t turn it off, killing third party ROMS, and getting somehow even MORE invasive, that whole ecosystem seems like it’s about to march right off a cliff so its not an option anymore for me.

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[–] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Yeah, Android Auto is definitely the thing I didn't think I needed and now can't live without.

I have no idea if there can be a foss alternative that would work with existing cars...

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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

tap to pay. I don’t see how this can practically be done. Like, at all.

The same way it was done with Google, Samsung and Apple. Just has to become more popular until banks and credit card companies will have to work with developers to make it happen.

android auto/apple CarPlay emulation.

Again, it will have to require the compliance of OEMs. However I see the entirety of these systems disappearing soon as more OEMs want to lock users into paid subscriptions for such features.

voice assistants

I'm not convinced this will ever be useful. Several of the largest tech companies on the planet have tried and all have failed miserably to produce anything useful for decades at this point.

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[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

fwiw regarding point 3, I had Mycroft on my pinephone. Was toying with other distros at some point so I don't have it anymore, but it worked. Took a few seconds to process.

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

When customs ROMs and most FOSS apps are killed next year on Android, we're all going to find out very quickly how much the trap has closed around us.

Same reason I loved to Linux on desktop, something that used to be cool and open and at least work mostly has enshittified beyond repair. I'm not going to let the bastards get me if I can help it.

[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

How old are you that you "need" these things.

Is not being able to use tap to pay, or having to plug in an aux cable really that big of an inconvenience?

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm 31 and would need those things. Makes driving a car how I want much easier. No awkward looking mounts anywhere. Plus I use a super tiny android phone at the moment so instead of looking at a postage stamp for a map I get to look at the big head unit.

[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Okay I don't drive so im a bit out of the loop on this but last time i rented a car some 15-20 years ago it had GPS built in that didn't require connecting, it was a tablet sized interface on the console... is that not a thing anymore? Like do cars in 2025 not have functioning GPS without a phone connected to them? Thats wild if so. A 2008 Toyota Prius could have a built in console navigation system, it ran off a DVD or USB key that you got updates for by mail, and here we are in 2025 you need a phone just to power the cars computer for navigation.

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[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tap to pay is essential to me. I never carry anything more than my phone, so no credit/debit card.

[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

So what happens if your phone is lost or stolen or damaged? How would you pay for a new phone?

[–] cardfire@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Taking the CC out of the sock drawer, at home. That's an edge case though. That's not what we are solving for the other 99.99% of the time ...

[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So you sacrafice your ability to use a more free device because youd rather leave your credit card at home, but thats A choice that you made. If you wanted you could bring a card with you or cast with you or a wallet full of things. Do you not carry ID with you either?

Honestly tap2pay seems like very little advantage over a credit card for having to sacrafice privacy and the ability to control the software on my phone, but thats just me.

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[–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Huh? Is that it for the major "issues"?

Don't get me wrong, everyone has different needs and wants, and so this might not work for everyone. I was hesitant at first to let go of mobile tap to pay, but I've been going strong for a year now and just take my wallet with me everywhere anyway. I have an older car so I literally can't even use Auto/Car Play, and I was never a voice assistant type of person ever.

My biggest needs are being able to use most of the apps I use, having easy communication with my family, and security and privacy (leaning more towards security). If I could find suitable alternatives to the apps I use, and texting isn't an issue (especially with iPhones, my family all uses them), then I'd gladly hop on over to Linux phones. I know someone is working on "WINE" for Android, and if that was doable and integrated well on Linux phones, I'd be set.

Gonna spend time researching now 🧐

[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Didn't blackberry have a fairly good solution where they had an android sandbox running within their OS?

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Reading these comments it looks like it's not quite time to switch over for daily use.

Graphene is not a linux OS, but you could get a used Pixel 8 running Graphene and be happy through to 2028.

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