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[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 13 points 2 days ago

With a self reported civilian death ratio at over 80%, Netanyahu wins this award by far.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago (17 children)
[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago

Don't forget the Kims.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd say Putin and Netanyahu are about the same. Two illiberal state leaders seeking to genocide a people.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

The global support makes Netanyahu worse

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Funny how using the superlative form ("most") he's sending us into a tailspin about who is "the most serious war criminal". As if that ordering really matters. War criminals being bad is like pedophiles being bad. Sure some are "worse" than others, but all of them are fucking creeps that need to be brought to heel.

Putin, Netanyahu, Trump, past US presidents (yea even that one), Blair, etc. All fuckfaces that every reasonable person should be denouncing.

[–] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

of our time, i’d definitely put Netanyahu up there

[–] limer@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Netanyahu seems to have be the closest to the violence. Not the most prolific. He has probably killed over half a million, directly and indirectly ,over his long career .

But while others have killed more ; they are more removed from it, more intermediaries, less day to day involvement with the actual victims .

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 4 points 2 days ago

The Israeli self reported civilian to combatant death ratio is over 80%…

Russia is not even close to this.

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

I know you didn't actually mean "directly" as in, he was on the field taking skulls for the skull throne, but I did chuckle at the thought.

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[–] Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 76 points 3 days ago (10 children)

you forgot mr. genocide down in zion...

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Perhaps you forgot Mr. Genocides (plural) in Beijing. It goes to show that we should be careful with hyperboles. This isnβ€˜t a contest after all.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Title is for the "most serious war criminal of our time". There's no hyperbole here. It literally is a genocide measuring contest.

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[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago

Merz should win the most seriously spineless European politician of the year.

[–] talkingpumpkin@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

Merz's questionable judgement aside, what would we gain from having a nice ranking of war criminals?

Shouldn't our spineless politicians concentrate on trying to stop war criminals (all of them) instead of starting academic discussions on who's the "most serious"?

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

As much as I'd love to agree with it because it's damned close to being true, the real winner is Netanyahu, of course

[–] EuroCentrist@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And he is absolutely right. Putin doesn't care about honor, dignity and ethics. He is interested in expanding and maintaining his power and is prepared to artificially keep his war alive as long as he has to answer to the Russian and Ukrainian people. Anyone who invites a criminal into their home will soon be a victim of the criminal's games. Only toughness can stop the insane nationalism of the Russians, deadly toughness.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Putin's a complete total psychopath for whom human life has no value.

And yet he's fucking Mother Theresa of Calcuta by comparison with mass baby murderer Netanyahu whose troops actively target children.

You will notice that Merz has "forgotten" about Netanyahu is this "most serious war criminal of our time" scale.

This is all smoke & mirrors: German mainstream politicians loved Putin and they especially loved the money they got paid when they retired from politics for "consuting work" or even board memberships in companies like Gazprom, and it took months and a lot of pressure from everybody else in the West to get Germany to start disconnecting from Russia and reduce the money they sent Putin's regime for things like gas which was used by the likes of BASF as cheap raw material in their processes to get a competitive advantage over other chemical companies. Also getting them to actually start supporting Ukraine militarily was like trying to pull teeth out - I remember how everybody and their dog had to send tanks to Ukraine before Germany finally got around to sending their old tanks there.

I very much doubt that these statements from Merz are any more than pure image management, especially because his "unwavering support of the Jewish State" (his own words) has showned that for him too, just like for Putin, human life has no value when a person is not from the "right" ethnicity.

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[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago

Honestly, there's more stiff competition for the title lately than for the peace prize.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Idk, I would probably say that Netanjahu is even worse.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

He doesn't have nearly the power or reach of Putin. Also, Putin's been at this for a long time.

[–] FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (9 children)

β€œWhy do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?” (a famous person from what's now called Palestine)

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[–] piezoelectron@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Israel has murdered more children than all other killings in the same time period. Also more bombs dropped on Gaza than on Tokyo in WWII.

[–] Melchior@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sudan has some estimates of half a million children starved to death in that period. Putins war in Ukraine is also extremely deadly. Add to that the civil wars in Myanmar and Syria.

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[–] Emptiness@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago
[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Tough words for Mr MealyMouth. I wish he would do that more often.

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