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Cross-posted from "The Guardian Retracts Their Coverage of the Shooter Being a Leftist" by @livejamie@lemmy.zip in !chapotraphouse@hexbear.net
I'm annoyed that this post doesn't include a link to the SOURCE. Grrr. Here it is.
There. Now it isn't just a questionable possbly faked pic, but a verifiable retraction with the misleading 'leftist' bits still at the top of the page and in the sub-headline.
Sorry, I didn't think people would think fake news could appear in here. That wasn't something I was considering.
There’s a bunch of tankies that constantly post Sputnik and RT and so on in various communities, and those places are very often running stories that I’d pidgeonhole as “fake news”. Always a good idea to cite and link your sources, as a general rule.
Will do that from now on. Do those people get banned and taken care of if they're found to be posting bullshit?
No, because they do it on .ml, which is run by tankies
Can't the mods of lemmy.world ban them from posting here though?
Memes too apparently.
People should always question their sources just as a general rule.
it can, and frequently does
Pathetic and disgraceful for the guardian.
The guardian is usually highly reputable. They’re one of the few left that I would consider reputable. Bit of a shame. At least they retracted it.
Meh, they are weak sisters. Look at their israel coverage, you should expect this.
Idk the retraction is pretty honest. Not to mention, that source may have said things originally, and not wanted to continue to say those same things afterwards for any number of reasons(they were lies or even, they don't feel comfortable being publicized)
Why did such an internationally respected english news source go with such flimsy evidence on a topic where the consequences of leaning into rightwing narratives are so high?
because none of these major publications aside from propublica and others like it value real journalism because we live in a world that is so full of the lie that getting the story first is more important than getting the story right. the guardian is better than many, but many people who work there came from news orgs that valued speed over accuracy. blame advertisers normalizing shit like getting every news org to investigate who al gore was going to pick for is running mate. a story that required no scoop. we were all gonna find out no matter what
Because it’s a live blog.
I don't think that excuses this.
A reasonable person would not feel comfortable being publicized in this context.
Unless they want to get on the talk show circuit
Par for the course for the left
Edit: I'm talking about receiving misplaced blame
Lol so do the right and center score +15 on this course typically? Or more like a DNF type awkward situation?
I'm talking about receiving misplaced blame.
ah gotcha!
So they just leave the headline alone? They know many people don't even go past that...
That bothered me too
And that's how you incite a civil war.
Well played, brits! The redcoats have the final laugh. (/joke, because The Guardian is British)
What happened? Right-wingers suddenly don’t want to kill the killer and everyone he resembles? What changed?
Sheesh, and that's the Guardian. One of the last good ones.
Just Grauniad things. Maybe they shouldn’t have stuck all their sub-editors on zero hours contracts and fired them before they got tenure.
A war would be the biggest story of their lifetimes.
But how do they profit? Like soldiers and conscripts aren't going to be paying them a subscription fee.
They want to be the next Walter Cronkite.
"Very hard Republicans" comedians are out of the job the way these jokes write themselves.
Can't retract what that casing said, lmao
"Catch this fascist"
Is the new
"I SHOT REAGAN"
Fuck fascism.
The casings were engraved with groyper memes, yes.
Ah shit, a guy who shot up a school likes 4chan? Who could've seen that coming. Now it's a lemmy meme. You looked at this ur gay.
I haven't seen any convincing evidence of this yet. It's definitely a possibility, but we shouldn't act like it's been confirmed.
As I said in another comment, groypers and their ilk coopt existing symbols to identify themselves. They act in the realm of plausible deniability, making it very hard to prove who is and isn't part of the movement.
Most of the inscriptions could also support the conclusion that he's on the left. (More plausibly than they support the groyper idea, imo)
Or maybe he's just a nihilist who wanted to be famous and filled the bullets with ironic memes and video game references.
The case is not closed on his motivations.
Every single thing was a groyper meme.
He wore a trump costume. He wore a Pepe costume.
If each casing existed in a vaccum, and there were no other information whatsoever (like his father wearing 3 percenter shirts, the costumes, even the timing of him becoming political) I'd be able to agree with you.
I'm not saying his motives are confirmed, but to say he's not a groyper would be ignoring the information we do have.
The 'leftist' dressed up as the rapist on Hallowe'en to own maga.
I think it's entirely possible they don't have an ideology, and they were shitposting IRL.
The Trump costume is confusing because you don't know if he's wearing it to mock him, to support him, or if he just wanted to do it to trigger people.
he's mormon. is that part of the far right christian nationalist coalition or not?
I'm seeing very little (mainstream) coverage that he's a groyper. What's up with that? Is that considered not yet verified? Is that being held back so we can talk about his roommate/possible girlfriend that is trans and harp on that instead of him being a groyper and/or Fuentes fan?