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[–] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 77 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Ukraine will emerge as the largest west-aligned weapons manufacturer in the world, their drone warfare and modern battlefield innovations are second to none at this point.

I remember when the war started looking at the switchblade drones on the news as this futuristic cutting edge weapon, then the first mavics with zip tied grenades and mortar shells appeared and now we have seen just insane advances in radio controlled, fiber optic controlled and completely autonomous drones, from short range to extremely long range, drone carriers, submersible drones, wheeled gun rc vehicles, it's insane.

I bet you anything that Ukraine either has or is planning a nuclear weapons program to acquire their own nukes. They have the scientific and engineering capacity, as well as the resources for it.

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Drone warfare in Ukraine got public and somehow popular with the Bayraktar from Turkiye. Still have that tune from one particular video in my head.

[–] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah the Bayraktar was pretty amazing early on, today though ukraine is pumping out thousands of smaller drones for a fraction of the cost to cover pretty much all use cases from human targets to armored and heavily armored targets, drone to drone air defense, you name it, with the added benefit of them being basically impossible to intercept at a long range.

Still, major props to Turkiye for those, they made a huge difference in the early stages, along with Javelin missiles destroying Russian armor columns

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 8 points 1 week ago

The Bayraktar was a major reason for the Russian invasion. Ukraine got those drones around 2020 and they were absolutely devastating in the Donbas and was putting Ukraine on pace to end the insurgency there.

What governments are all starting to realize is that the big flashy weapon systems that cost $1.2million per use are useless in a peer combat situation because the damage done doesn't scale with the cost whatsoever. Quantity almost always top quality in a prolonged conflict

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Tbh Bayraktar wreaked havoc in the Azerbaijan-Armenian conflict a few years before being used in Ukraine.

[–] Tuuktuuk@mastodontti.fi 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@Zer0_F0x @Sunshine

Regarding Switchblades... It was also very important that within days of ZSU beginning their news, we read articles on how inefficient they actually are. That a 80 % cheaper drone does a _better_ job! They turned out to be unreliable, inaccurate and extremely expensive.

That told a lot of western military industry in general!

[–] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

It's the difference between a weapon designed to win a government contract with maximum profit margins vs a drone designed to fit a specific purpose and battlefield.

One was built by necessity, the other by committee.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.social 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ukraine will have nukes once the vatniks are kicked out and Putin falls.

[–] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It could happen the other way around is what I'm saying.

Ukraine demonstrating a nuclear device and a missile capable of carrying it will dramatically change how agreeable everyone becomes to negotiations lol

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Fuck that, we going mini nuke drone swarm

I wonder what the best and least globally offensive way to test it would be...

Do they nuke the sea, do they nuke their own empty land, do they nuke their territory but in the front lines in a less important area, or do they directly nuke Russian territory.

Like nuking Moscow would probably just end up in a retaliatory nuke.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The long range drones they are using is enough.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54

[–] medicsofanarchy@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

However, subsequently, US President Donald Trump said he might revoke the authorization for Ukraine to strike deep into Russia with Western weapons, because that permission had been given by his predecessor, Joe Biden

Are you kidding me? Basing a military decision on "he did it so I don't wanna"? Tell Trump that Biden specifically forbid future presidents from drinking whatever's under the White House sink. See where that goes.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trump already scrambling to protect Russia's oil refineries to save their economy while they declare all out war on NATO. So fucking predictable.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

I can't believe Joe Biden never drank bleach once during his presidency. Shows he's super weak as a president. Trump could do it way better than Biden. Guaranteed.

[–] Chakravanti@monero.town 4 points 1 week ago

cough Kool-aid? cough

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Even gave them advanced warning like a true gentleman

[–] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That’s a bomb statement

It certainly makes me explosively enthusiastic.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oooh time to get popcorn. This will be fun :3

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I understand the sentiment, and there are certainly more than a few people in the Kremlin I would not mourn for, but it is still war.

I'll save the popcorn for the ICC trials.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

One can have popcorn for both

The Kremlin as a whole needs to be leveled. It is nothing but corruption, sycophants, and enablers to Putin.

Notice Zelenksy said Kremlin, not Moscow.

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago
[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I understand that it is necessary to parry Russia's escalations both in words and deeds.

Some people will say this is proof that UA is just as bad as RUS, but I say no:

We always need to remember who started this war on whose territory. That is the reason it was condemned since day 1, and as long as that doesn't change the condemnation mustn't change either.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago

Some people will say this is proof that UA is just as bad as RUS,

And those people are fucking idiots and/or disingenuous.