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They don't have a social media service, right? So where do they get the data to train their AI models ? Surely they need a lot, right? It would be nice if the public knew who cooperates with them (other than governments) and just boycott their services, or at least pressure them.

If company X doesn't offer your data to governments officials, but offers them to Palantir which makes a profile of you that it offer to the same officials, isn't that even worse ?

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I used to run in consulting circles, long enough time around execs and you start to see just how well the good ol boy clubs, and know-a-guy chains can make business deals between firms. Once you get the ball rolling on a project as a large enough entity, it doesn't take much to consult the digital equivalent of their rolodex to find vendor upon vendor for this part, this data broker, etc.

Cheaper in bulk too.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 73 points 6 days ago (3 children)

They buy it from data brokers. Some governments are limited on what they can store where companies can store whatever they want as long as it is "legitimate interest"

It is worse because if you gpdr Facebook they only have to remove you from their data sets not their partners who scalp the Facebook datasets.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 36 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah the whole idea that "the government isn't allowed to collect/store that information" is immediately invalidated when they just buy it from private companies and get it from foreign countries spying on their own citizens through intelligence sharing agreements.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 22 points 6 days ago

What do you think Elon Musk is doing with all the data they pulled out of all the agencies they infiltrated at the beginning of the presidency. It’s all being sold to these fascist corporations.

[–] OhtoAiReal@programming.dev 11 points 6 days ago

I always though discord was bad too, because all they clean is the username attached to your messages. So it can be very easy to know who sent them.

[–] FrederikNJS@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

That's not correct. Under the GDPR, the data that Facebook collects on you, makes them the Data Controller. Any partners they share data with would be considered Data Processors. When you invoke your right to be forgotten under the GDPR, then both Data Controllers and Data Processors must delete your data. So if Facebook partners isn't deleting your data after you filed a request to Facebook, then they are violating the GDPR.

That said Facebook is certainly violating the GDPR left and right. For example with their "Pay or Consent" model...

[–] undertow411@lemmy.zip 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I mean you shouldn’t work for them to begin with for a thousand moral reasons.

[–] JillyB@beehaw.org 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's what confuses me. How do you have enough moral character to quit over the CEO's support of Israel but you're totally fine with the core business model of surveillance state services.

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 6 points 5 days ago

Mass surveillance is bad, but I'm not sure there's a crime worse than genocide.

[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 15 points 5 days ago

Honestly..fuck you if you work here anyway.

[–] rcbrk@lemmy.ml 17 points 6 days ago

One prominent example in Australia is via one of the two biggest nationwide supermarket chains, Coles: https://www.itnews.com.au/news/coles-to-run-palantir-analytics-suite-across-its-supermarkets-604698

[–] Kurious84@lemmings.world 4 points 4 days ago

His hair looks like my un trimmed pubes.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They don't. They sell tools to governments and companies, that the clients use with their own data, that they already have. Palantir doesn't do the spying or data harvesting, and they don't have any data of their own, they develop and sell tools that clients use with whatever data the clients have.

They make the spy tools, they are not doing the spying.

[–] FrederikNJS@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)
[–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Their clients feed them with data. Given that Peter Thiel is behind Palantir, you can also pretty much count on all the big social media companies cooperating with them.

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago

They also just steal data from their clients. At least one US military branch is suing them over doing exactly that during one of their contracts.

[–] hackerwacker@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago

I guess they buy it from data brokers and also their clients give them their data.

[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago

Alex Karp is a fascist.

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hear this crazy thought:

be as anonymous as you can and don't share your personal data over the internet.

[–] chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Even if you never went online, heaps of data about you is collected and sold.

  • ALPRs collect and sell your car's movement and location data.
  • Stores you shop at collect identity data and share your purchases and consumer behaviors, even when you pay cash.
  • Banks and financial institutions share information about your assets, financial holdings, purchases, and electronic transactions.
  • Governments mandate that all sorts of information about you is public.

And if you are online, the "be as anonymous as you can and don’t share your personal data over the internet." statement makes it sound easy, which is far from true. It's a constant game of whack-a-mole where one needs incredibly disciplined to compartmentalize and segregate login sessions across browsers and devices. If one isn't technically skilled and constantly vigilant, it's a losing battle. That's why awareness and campaigns that support privacy focused regulation are important.

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago

As I said "as anonymous as you CAN", which is better than posting the photos of your birthday on Instagram or whatever people do these days.

[–] bricklove@midwest.social 6 points 5 days ago

Bro looks like the last Q-tip in the box

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago

they buy it from data brokers, from the platforms, from other companies, probably from governments.

[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 days ago

He looks like an anthropomorphic piece of shit.