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There could be 'mutual interest' in Canada building its submarines, says German armament secretary (www.cbc.ca)
submitted 6 days ago by CAVOK@lemmy.world to c/europe@feddit.org
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Plötner says German shipbuilder is open to the idea — all Canada has to do is ask

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[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's an essential part of the plan. Everyone is militarising at the same time. Peace time military procurement won't work because Canada's subs delivery timeline would be ridiculous. By the time the last sub would be built overseas, the first sub would age itself out of the fleet. Those shipyards are producing everyone else's subs too.

We will have to make them here. Maintain them here. Ideally two sub making/maintenance shipyards; One pacific, one atlantic, and an arctic maintenance/restock/refuel bay.

Esquimalt, Halifax and ... Churchill?

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Peace time military procurement won't work because Canada's subs delivery timeline would be ridiculous. By the time the last sub would be built overseas, the first sub would age itself out of the fleet.

Well, you paint that as a bad idea, but rapid military build up has its own problems. Everybody's rushing to buy arms now so companies are expanding left, right and center. Come the inevitable point when stockpiles are full or the need for these amounts of materials are gone, and the same companies might crash and burn.

So having a building capacity that churns out roughly a new ship when an old one gets decommissioned is a favorable goal for peace times.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

Good point, overcapacity is an issue, but it's not the primary one and not at this time. Our primary goal is to outfit a military for a rapidly changing political landscape, acknowledging allies may not always be relied on like we used to. With three oceans, an arctic capable navy is a really big one. This means domestic shipyards that can handle navy frigates, Icebreakers and subs. Presumably two military shipyards, atlantic and pacific, can keep busy, but not be overly busy with those 3

As a related aside, I find the governments attacks on the domestic firearms market to be against our own interest. We want domestic capacity to make our military's own firearms, and when the military has what they need, to keep the industry going civilian sales keep the capacity alive until the next military need. It's an unspoken truth why we keep automotive industry subsidized, because in times of warnit get repurposed to military production. It's a weird thing in Canada that we can see and support the principle for vehicles, but not small arms. A civilian markmanship program is a tool for military recruitment. Everywhere outside of major cities and even somewhat in major cities a hunting and/or sportshooting culture exists, but government policy has been making it harder and harder trying to snuff it out. Our shortsightedness costs us dearly in economic terms and now in sovereignty.