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[–] floopus@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Romans 1:26-27 "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Clearly homosexuality is wrong according to the bible. Sorry, you simply aren't going to convince a fundamentalist to agree let LGBT folk be, when you have quotes like this in the book. Saying "jesus said love" isn't going to do it. Best strategy is the one that has been working. Education, so that people don't take religion so seriously or literally.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You're right, the Bible is full of contradictions, which I believe is fully on purpose, so that the devout can point to all the times God says love and say "look, my religion is one of love, my God is a god of love!" And then use that to justify committing all the other heinous act condoned in the Bible.

[–] hornywarthogfart@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We won't ever know for sure but treating the contradictions in the Bible as intentional is probably giving more credit to the people who initially created it than they deserve.

More likely, they just just didn't really plan it out and instead shit was added piecemeal over time ultimately leaving a lot of contradictions.

Anyways, it seems much more likely that this happened organically rather than being intentional.

[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Apologetics is a core function of Christianity, and there is plenty of evidence suggesting entire books were rewritten to serve a specific narrative. If they believed the ends justified the means, they absolutely would add contradictions, even if they believed they were sincere in their actions. Just as Christians today still continue to add their own beliefs to the existing literature.

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[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah that's fair, I suppose saying it's on purpose would require some proof to back up that claim. I think the important part of my point though is that religious people use the contradictions in their books to commit atrocities. Thank you for your nuanced take, hornywarthogfart

[–] hornywarthogfart@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah your point totally stands for sure. I mostly replied because everyone I know treats the bible as some static, unchanging thing and I think that influences religious propagation because it kind of buries how such an important religious book came to be. Granted this is by design to help push the religious tenets and imply inviolability.

[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The council of Nicaea all but confirms your suspicion. It's pretty strange to me that nobody (to my knowledge) in the past 1,700+ years has cared to create a contradiction free Bible. I would cut out unreliable narrators and known forgers from my version. Who knows maybe I'd even include parts of the Apocrypha as well.

[–] Ibuthyr@feddit.org 10 points 2 days ago

Weird how you're downvoted. Religion just isn't a good guide to live by but that's not your fault. Education is key.

[–] Hazzard@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

I mean... there's a substantial difference between agreeing with a lifestyle, and persecuting that lifestyle. I assume you aren't currently picketing churches and harassing religious people, for example. The Bible is clear that an abundance of things are sinful, but Jesus consistently sets an example of loving prostitutes and tax collectors and Roman soldiers and everyone else Jews of that day hated.

So what this tweet is claiming is absolutely valid, the New Testament is immensely clear you should love everyone, and you shouldn't give "fundamentalists" a biblical pass for ignoring one of the most fundamental points the Bible makes, in hopes that they'll be willing to completely discard religion. They should be educated on their own damn book, and it's perfectly reasonable to call them on that.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Clearly homosexuality is wrong according to the bible.

There is no "the bible". It's a subjective collection of texts. While lots of people worship Paul as if he were a god, he's not actually Jesus.

[–] Doctorbllk@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Dude this is what I'm SAYING all the time. The only possible valid collection of the Christian Bible is the parts quoting Jesus. Everything after is fan fiction and blatant manipulation.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

You don't have to study Christianity deeply to realize it is wrong. I was like 8 years old in catechism and remember thinking "Hey wait a minute... Jesus keeps saying not to worship him, isn't that what we're literally doing? Shouldn't we all be some form of Jewish if we want to follow Jesus' words?"

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[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 70 points 4 days ago (12 children)

If you need a manual to be a good person, you aren't a good person.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah, what's wrong with wanting to be a good person? Are we going back to eugenics now?

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 196 points 4 days ago (34 children)

Problem is that when they see "love they neighbor" they look around and only see straight white folks, so they assume everyone else is excluded for some reason

[–] GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.world 109 points 4 days ago (6 children)

When I was in Sunday School, we were given a strict (Catholic Catechism) definition: Your neighbor is anyone you meet. It doesn't even specify any "human." My mom always brought home that point whenever animal cruelty was discussed.

Of course, my parents who taught me that lesson are still Catholic and yet super proud of my identity. Very chill with my trans spouse. Even marched with me at a local pride event.

Maybe they're the exception but "love thy neighbor" does still have tangible meaning to some folks.

[–] compostgoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 4 days ago

I’m glad to hear that they are so supportive, that’s awesome! I hope my Catholic parents are as accepting when I come out to them as trans

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[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 5 points 2 days ago

Sou d logic bucko. Where does it say driving a car is not a sin?

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

"then you ain't one of mine. go on, git!" -Jesus apparently, Gospel of John chapter 13 verse 35

[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I think John might have had a bit of a crush on Jesus, given that he was very interested about whenever Jesus said 'love'. Maybe he was hoping for a confession?

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 105 points 4 days ago (5 children)
[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 38 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Wow tax collectors catching strays even 2000 years ago.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

According to the ai, they’re all going to hell

Using God's name in vain means to misuse or misrepresent God's name, often by invoking it for false oaths, empty promises, or inappropriately associating it with harmful actions. It emphasizes the importance of honoring God's name and not using it lightly or for wrongful purposes.

Every fundamentalist who insists they know god’s will and can inflict it on you is in violation of this commandment

[–] Live_your_lives@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I think you're right about a lot of fundamentalists, but you need to be careful with the "knowing God's will" part because Christianity is based on the Bible and the Bible teaches you what God's will is. So, in so much as someone is basing their words on what the Bible means by what it says, then they are not taking God's name in vain. But the moment they twist what the Bible means to fit their own narrative, then they are.

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 84 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Suddenly, Republican Christians: "You can't just take quotes from the Bible out of context and apply them to your argument! 😠"

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[–] 33550336@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (9 children)

I think that Jesus' meaning was "love one another unconditionally" regardless you are foreigner, woman, LGBT person, or an outlaw. Jesus was a leftist (and of course just a historical person, not a deity).

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I find it sad to fall back on 2000 year old literature to justify our behavior.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

When someone uses the Bible to justify their hate or bigotry, it’s very easy to throw back in their face. They never believed any of it — especially not anything that radical leftist Jesus taught — it’s a tool that represents whatever they want for their manipulative, selfish, self-centered purposes. What is written there doesn’t matter. It never did.

Watch as they dismiss you anyway, with greatest hits like:

  • “That’s not what {$DENOMINATION} teaches.”
  • “That’s just heretical.”
  • ”So your interpretation is right but everyone else is wrong?”
  • ”You’re taking it out of context”, especially after you just added context to a thing they were deliberately taking out of context.
  • “Even the devil can quote scripture.”
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[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I prefer 'be excellent to each other' from the book of Bill and Ted.

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (15 children)

Show me the part where Jesus says to stone all the queers. I'll wait.

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Attempting to use the bible as a source for good just doesn't work because they are always exceptions and hateful rhetoric in other bible chapters they can point to.

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[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 36 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

The Muscular Christianity movement of the mid 19th century really took issue with this. Back then church attendance was 4:1 women to men and manly men were having trouble maintaining interest because Jesus' message was "too loving and gentle" so not very manly. They started redefining Christianity according to "manly" virtues, particularly they kicked all the women out of their administrative roles in church, started building sporting complexes next to churchs and reframed the old thinking of physical vigor being a form of vanity to instead being a sign of moral and spiritual excellence.

I'm not kidding but they even changed the appearance of Jesus, commissioning art work where he was depicted with broader shoulders and a more defined chest, signalling readiness for action.

Modern toxic masculinity is a "despiritualized" adaptation of Muscular Christianity.

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[–] wizblizz@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago

There's no hate quite like Christian love.

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