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Electric car sales beat multiple records in Denmark (fdm.dk)
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1: 12.992 electric cars sold, the most electric cars sold in one month.
2: 91% market share with private buyers.
3: 73% market total market share.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Unfortunately Tesla Model Y is again the most sold car. But only due to heavy marketing campaigns, and buyback of you old car.

It's absolutely insane, because the Ioniq 6 has 20% longer range, and is 10% cheaper, has more and better features, and is not a deathtrap.

Tesla Model Y:
https://www.tesla.com/da_dk/modely/design#overview

Hyundai Ioniq 6:
https://www.hyundai.dk/bestil/ioniq-6?bodystyle=5643&enginetype=BEV&capacity=-1&trim=5650&powertrain=5659&exterior=8635&interior=8636&cs=summary

Hyundai Ioniq 6: 614km range, 350 kW charging, price 295,000 DKK (including taxes)
Tesla Model Y: 500 km range, 120-250 kW charging, price 339,000 DKK. (including taxes)
Charging for the Tesla is not specified on their site for Denmark, probably because the claim of 250 kW found in other places is outright false, it generally only delivers half of that, and best result I could find was 170 kW.

The Hyundai is so much better in every way it's outright insane that people buy the Model Y!!
The build quality of the Hyundai is better too!

The Good News:

Even though Model Y sold well, VW group again leaves the competition in the dust with 6 models in the top 10, and sales among them was 3822, almost twice of the Model Y, and although Tesla also has Model 3, VW group also has several other models, like Cupra.
Tesla sales remains down by 42% for the year.

PS:
I forgot, of course the reason Ioniq doesn't sell as well, must be because it doesn't come with free Swastika stickers.

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I live in Denmark, and my next car will be electric (e-scenic and xpeng g6 are the best candidates for my needs). I would get ioniq 6, but it's ugly as fuck. I'm sorry, it just is.
Ioniq 5 is, in contrary, one of the coolest-looking cars I see now, but it's not what I need.
My requirements are 500+ km range and quick 20-80 charging, because we will use it for travels, and the car should be quite big because there are 4 of us plus camping equipment. Our current Ceed SW PHEV does its job, but when it's time to switch, I'm going electric - I'm not scared of charging issues anymore.
BTW, I have no idea, why 20-80 charging times are not advertised more: the reason of my anxiety was that 7-9h number for 100% charging, and only several conversations with e-car owners gave me an understanding that I don't want 100% charging, I want 30min bumps when I'm eating and stretching my legs!

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I'm in Denmark too, and I admit the Xpeng G6 looks really attractive.
We don't drive much, so IMO it's overkill to buy a new car. We are looking for something a few years old.
There are a lot of good options for new cars just around DKK 300-350k price including tax. (EUR 40-45k)

Personally I'd prefer the Enyaq iV 80, but it's very expensive as 2nd hand, although the VW iD4 cost the same from new, it's way cheaper used for some reason.

7-9 hour charging is only home charging, I don't know why that's a problem, I guess you have to sleep anyway?
New cars typically charge from 10-80% between 20 to 30 minutes at a charging station. The Xpeng G6 however is very fast, and does it in less than 15 minutes.
But that's not the most optimal charging for most cars either, charging curve is different for different cars, but typically charging speed drops at around 50-60% to protect the battery, so if you only charge it up half, it's way more than twice as fast.

This guy makes some amazing tests on distance driving and charging speeds:
https://www.youtube.com/@bjornnyland/videos

He has also made tests for the Xpeng G6:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHZjV1RY3YU&t=3s

[–] dom@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ioniq 6 is more akin to model 3

Ioniq 5 is model y competitor

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

No I don't think so, Ioniq 6 is the longer heavier car, and the more expensive of the 2.
Compared with Ioniq 5 the Model Y is even more expensive.
But the Ioniq 5 is a bit taller. So if that's your only measurement I guess it is?!

https://katalog.hyundai.dk/NicChristiansenGruppen/Hyundai/Brochure/ioniq-6/?page=46
https://katalog.hyundai.dk/NicChristiansenGruppen/Hyundai/Specifikationer/ioniq-5-my2025/?page=6

[–] dom@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

More about form factor. Most people look for vehicles by class, not by weight

[–] hanrahan@piefed.social 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

More bad news :(

https://mass.streetsblog.org/2022/04/22/international-climate-report-demands-systemic-changes-to-transportation-and-urban-planning/

but also makes clear that simply replacing gasoline with batteries won't be enough: cities must also dramatically curtail the use of automobiles and avoid "locking in" future emissions with more car-dependent infrastructure.

[–] possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 days ago

have you been to Denmark? the cities there are basically antithetical to car dependency.

[–] cron@feddit.org 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

3: 73% market share with commercial buyers

If Google translate serves me right, the 73% is the combined market share. Commercial buyers must therefore be below this share.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Thanks, Yes you are right, I misread that part. 73% is of the total market. I corrected it in the post.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

...and yet there's no demand if you talk to the car companies.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It's mostly failing car companies like Tesla and Stellantis that makes that claim.
Especially Elon Musk has made that claim numerous times this year, that the problem isn't just Tesla but the entire market, which has been false the entire time he claimed it, just like Tesla safety is a lie, and FSD is a lie, and Tesla AI is a lie. The Hyper-loop is a lie, and the manned mission to Mars by 2024 is a lie.
If you keep listening to the likes of Musk, it's no wonder you are hearing a lot of lies.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

It's accurate for the US. They would go back to coal if they could.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

All of the German manufacturers fall into that category? They keep on lobbying the EU to delay the transition dates and blaming demand.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

VW did have to shut down some production, despite being very successful on the EV market in northern/western Europe. Problem is most European countries are dragging their feet on electric. With less than 15% marketshare compared to the 73% in Denmark. I think EU average adoption of EV is slower than expected, because some countries are completely lacking in infrastructure for it, and don't have meaningful incentives.
But the market is not declining as Musk claims, it's just not growing as much as expected.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

Maybe VW BMW, Mercedes AUDI should stop making shitty EVs before blaming consumer demand.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

EV market share in Europe is now 17,5%. In other words, every 6th (well, every 5,7th) car sold in Europe is currently fully electric!

I'm not sure what you point is?
But that is in line with my claim and is pretty underwhelming IMO. Norway has passed 90% and as I mentioned Denmark has passed 70%. It's also quite telling that a tiny country like Denmark with only 6 million citizens manage to sell more BEV cars than for instance Poland, Italy and Spain that have a population of 40-60 million.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No point. Just providing data.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Data is worthless, nad without a point or context, it is merely as you say data.
But data provided WITH context that has a point is information, and information is gold.

[–] paranoia 4 points 6 days ago

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

While it is good news, the main reason for this record is because the current government in their usual arrogant stupidity are reintroducing taxes on EVs, with an incremental increase in taxes at the beginning of each year. So people are buying now, because they are going to become more expensive in 2026, and even more in 2027, meaning that sales will drop in a couple of months.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

You may be right, but I don't think so, AFAIK cars in this price range are mostly unaffected for 2026.
I'm still waiting to buy, because prices are dropping fast ATM, and my very old car is a somewhat luxury car, and I don't want to downgrade. So I don't want to go below what's available in the 300-350k DKK range, and then I want something like that 2nd hand for half. 😋

As I understand it, that will be a lot easier next year. So I'm eating the 5800,- DKK my current car cost in yearly taxes, to save way more on a "new" car later.

https://fdm.dk/nyheder/bilist/2025-08-elbiler-tager-nyt-afgiftshop-saa-meget-stiger-de-pris

Cars below 350k do not increase in tax. The standard Model Y is 340k so zero extra tax, and long range is 360k so just 3k extra tax next year.
There is absolutely no reason to panic buy now at that price point, considering how the competition is increasing, and prices are currently falling.

[–] possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

seems like everyone just pivots to buying a used tesla and calls it a day, the number of pengx, byd's, and misc ev's from other manufacturers are dwarfed by the sheer volume of lookalike swasticars

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Used Tesla are really cheap here, to me it looks like their reputation as used cars is not very good, especially the model 3.

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Many VW models have serious quality problems. I didn't do any serious investigations on ID4 problems, but saw some video reviews where people mentioned they visited service a few times, which is crazy for new/almost new cars (and especially electric ones, with fewer things to break).
So, again, it has to be further checked, but I remembered to look elsewhere

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

That's just nonsense, your example is merely anecdotal, where the quality and reliability of VW is documented in statistics from mandatory safety checks in Germany and Denmark, which also show the poor quality of Tesla, the Tesla poor safety is then also shown in statistics from insurance companies in USA.

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Okay, you motivated me. Sorry, the data is for the US in both cases, but I suppose the situation is not upside-down in EU. Repair-cases-based report on 2024:
https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2024-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds
Perceived dependability report:
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/?ez_cid=CLIENT_ID%28AMP_ECID_EZOIC%29
in both cases, VW is somewhere down below.
You got so nervous, throwing the "nonsence!" words around - are you a VW fanboy or something like that? I said, I didn't do a proper research, but now I'm digging deeper and VW doesn't start looking better yet.
Screenshots to save some clicks:

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Repair-cases-based report on 2024

That's a mostly worthless metric, because cars are called in and repaired by very different standards.
Tesla was also the least repaired, and the cheapest in maintenance here, but the result was absolutely also horrendous.
It's about the fourth time I'm presented with that completely useless data-point, that says nothing about how safe or reliable the car is.
It is very obvious from stats in other countries that AUDI is absolutely not an error prone car that needs lots of repair. Same with Honda.
Another problem with the chart is that it doesn't take the age or mileage into account, or if they actually needed reppair, or were just in for routine checkups.

Again the stat is absolutely worthless, as it lacks a ton of context, that is inherent when a car is tested in Germany after 2 years, and in Denmark after 4 year4s, and the results are near identical, VW has the lowest fault rate and Tesla has the highest, when tested under similar conditions, Tesla was worst in both cases, and not just a little but by a large margin. And these are SAFETY checks, that should be relatively rare to fail for ALL cars.

Also your 2 charts are wildly contradictory to each other, and what is "predicted reliability"???

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ok, thank you, you are right, I won't say anything, so I won't be mistaken again! Have a good life!

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

OK sorry if I was a bit harsh, but not all data points are equally useful.

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Just try to understand me: I'm sharing unsupported (a several personal reviews is not "data") information, you call me out, then I look up some statistic-based reports, but you say that you don't trust them. Well, you are a person, I am a person, we are inherently biased. But reports based on statistics are usually more reliable - if you have proofs they are made up, please present them. Even if they are bent in some direction to make something look better or worse, number 20 probably won't be number one or the other way around.
"I don't trust this report in regard of VW because I don't agree with where they put Tesla" is also a strange argument". Even if Tesla fails to report true repair stats or messes with the data in some other way, what does it have with other companies on the list?
But thanks to returning to the "good way of talking", I also apologize if I sounded emotional, I had to tone it down.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I don’t agree with where they put Tesla” is also a strange argument"

I never made such a claim, I also never say I didn't believe the stat, What I said I don't believe the stat shows anything about reliability.