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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do it. Declare that the citizens of these states will no longer be required to send tax money to the federal government. If the Supreme Court says it's unconstitutional, ignore them. The federal gov loses a lot of its enforcement mechanisms if states don't help out in some way. Even combined, the regular military, the National Guard, and ICE don't have enough personnel to occupy California. They don't even have enough for Minnesota. They might have enough for Vermont.

They might have to increase their own taxes to pay for things, but it's probably less than the federal government takes. You can win over a lot of Republican voters in the rural areas with lower taxes.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They might have to increase their own taxes to pay for things

The blue states are mostly sending more to the feds than they get back.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They're not going to replace, say, Medicare without raising taxes, and they need some kind of self-defense force, too. In the end, they can probably pay less for better services, but they can't replace everything the federal gov does without some kind of tax increase.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Canadians have healhcare and - typically - 1% less taxes for most earners. Replacing the vaaaaastly overpriced healthcare system in America with anything else is a net savings.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We also probably don't need to outspend the next dozen or so countries combined for defense.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Things are almost far enough along that some red states might even join such a group.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If they know where their subsidies come from they will.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Keep them at several arm lengths though, can’t trust them after how they ushered this upon us all

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

True but quite a few states are super close swing states so I see 11-16 more flipping way more blue after this

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Texas Republicans are just waiting to invade blue states

[–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

They can fuck off. Welfare state losers that already poisoned the country. They can eat gruel and stay poor.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

...or their own country, with it's own constitutional adjustments... It's own president, military, and the offer to pay people to move there. When you get more people than the USA, start calling yourself the USA.

...say you'll only rejoin the union of there's a snap election with new oversight rules, have th UN or NATO involved to prevent cheating.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

I think it’s worth starting with “here are some fixes that our group of states think should be implemented”

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

This a very serious matter that they should really consider implementing.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

with that attitude it will definitely stay one.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

The number of defeatists on Lemmy is insane.

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The biggest thing is getting together in real-time online 3rd space community groups on Stoat, and Matrix/Element then getting things done together

That's the biggest thing that will change a lot. Groups per city, town, state, and one for country overall. So everyone can educate, inspire, inform, do projects together to get things done now, discuss, help, etc etc

That's the biggest equalizer that needs to happen now

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

yeah i'm telling you, anarchist internet spaces like the fediverse are essential for anarchy in real life; and the people's self-determination largely relies on anarchy (i.e. forming your own community), i believe

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Interesting idea. Sometimes it's easier to act and come up with something first, then ask other people to join later.

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Alright everyone the biggest thing that will change literally everything for the better is getting together in real-time online 3rd space community groups on Stoat, and Matrix/Element then getting things done together

Hope is the best thing to have in this moment. Also read this: https://www.goodgoodgood.co/articles/hope-key-in-meaningful-life

That's the biggest thing that will change a lot. Online Groups per city, town, state, and one for country overall. So everyone can educate, inspire, inform, do projects together to get things done now, discuss, help, etc etc. Online affecting in-person, and in-person affecting online

That's the biggest equalizer that needs to happen now. Would you rather roll over in defeat from doing nothing or doing something worthwhile

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

You're right about the need to organize locally, but I don't think it applies in this context, given local movements can realistically impact state and federal politics at a slow pace at the best of times (which is usually ok--they're local organizations, after all).

It's frustrating to find a lack of mechanisms to affect URGENT change to the federal government without the benefit of time, legal consistency, privacy, powerful allies, money and resources, (I could go on for ages).