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If anyone wants a specific goal, have it be either

  • Earn a Nobel Prize by age 18

or

  • Become a billionaire by age 18

For the sake of the scenario, assume the following:

  • If anyone learns that you are mentally from the future, you immediately have an aneurysm and die. You somehow just know this and therefore must keep your true identity secret.

  • You wake up as a random 10-year-old specifically in 2002, not your 10-year-old self, and not the age you actually were in 2002.

  • You live in the same country, speak the same language(s), and are the same ethnicity as your old self. Your biological sex matches your gender identity (flip a coin if you are enby).

  • You have 2 parents and 1.5 siblings. Your family earns exactly the median income for your country.

  • The person whose identity you now inhabit left a diary. You have no other knowledge of your new identity beyond this.

  • If you try to look for your old family, you learn they had a different child in this timeline who is the same age as you but is not you. They will not believe any attempt to convince them you are related.

  • The USB drive is compatible with any standard USB Type A connector. It is just large enough to fit all of Wikipedia, including hosted media and files, and the drive is read-only. The drive cannot be reformatted.

  • Stock market trends remain generally consistent for 5 years. After that, assume the butterfly effect will start to skew the results, so you cannot predict what will happen after 2007. Sports become too unreliable to bet on with 100% accuracy after 1 year.

  • I feel like I shouldn't need to clarify this one, but no grooming kids. Assume there is a magical force that prevents you from dating anyone until both you and they are at least 18, and no one is attracted to you unless they would also feel okay dating someone who is your mental age.

EDIT - Additional clarifiers, if this helps:

  • The USB drive is not based on 2002 technology but is fully compatible with it. Assume it uses a novel architecture that can repurpose itself to be compatible with whatever system it is plugged into, as long as it fits the correct type of USB port.
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[–] Zak@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I can think of a few things I do not like about the world today that I imagine I could improve in a scenario like that. They include:

  • Much of the world's communication is mediated through centralized social media platforms that use opaque algorithms to determine what content people see. (Yes, this is a very Lemming concern)
  • There is a significant rise in (mostly) right-wing populism worldwide, driven, I think in part by the above.
  • Corporations and governments are increasingly able (and motivated) to block access to their digital systems from general-purpose computers that their owners fully control. Even the mainstream press saw Microsoft Palladium as a nightmarish power grab in 2002, but did not react the same way to Google SafetyNet in 2014.
  • I do not own a Gordan Murray Automotive T.50.

Social media

2002 is before anybody had a convincing lead in this field, but blogs were already popular, and on the Internet, nobody knows you're a ~~dog~~ kid. I could start planting the seeds of more advanced federation capabilities through open source development right away. I'm assuming I have a computer of course, but I think even if I didn't I could probably get my hands on something older just by expressing interest and aptitude.

After laying the technical foundations and establishing some credibility as a developer and technologist, my goal would be to build something with significant mainstream appeal by the time Facebook opens to the public in late 2006. I'd need access to money at that point, whether my own or through investors, though as a federated system, I wouldn't have to bear all of the costs (nor would I have the ability to extract all the profits, but even a hundredth of Zuck's net worth is obscenely wealthy).

Populism

I honestly do not know how much of this is due to the present day social media environment, but I'm sure it's a significant factor. I like to think that by tuning the design of social communication tools for more thoughtful discussion, more thoughtful leaders would thrive. Barring that, if I was obscenely wealthy, I could put my thumb on the scale by less honorable means, and I like to think I wouldn't be so terribly corrupted by the money and power as to use it for evil.

One idea that comes to mind for political discussion is used in Pol.is and (perhaps ineffectively) Twitter community notes: surface points where people who usually disagree are in agreement.

Protecting general purpose computing

This one is hard to the point I'm not sure it's achievable, but It's so important. The obvious approach is to launch a mobile operating system, which would have to at least stay even with Android. Microsoft tried this in 2012, and that was too late despite their entry attracting some diehard fans. If I have the superior OS and majority market share, I'm in a good position to resist attempts to mandate locked bootloaders and remote attestation.

The good news is it's not hard to do a better job with some fundamental design decisions given perfect hindsight, and with Android being open source, it wouldn't be hard to support Android apps. There weren't a lot of dependencies on Google's services in the early days.

This one would be reliant on the social media play for capital and credibility. It would need to be well underway by 2010, which is a tight timeline, but not impossible.

An absurdly expensive sports car

If either of the above plays works even moderately well, I can have my 11,500 RPM redline V12 three-seater. If not, I'd still be in a position to make a bunch of money, and I'd be trying some of them in parallel.

Nobody's going to give a ten year old control of an investment account just because they say they have some good ideas about the stock market, but if my hypothetical parents are anything like my real ones, after a couple months of demonstrating nearly-unbelievable skill at investing fake money, I'd be able to talk them into letting me invest a couple hundred dollars of real money and snowball things from there. I'd also know which startup ideas worked, what decisions were important in their success, and which founders I wouldn't feel bad about ripping off.

Even as reality diverges, I think certain trends were inevitable. Social media will happen. Smartphones will happen. Streaming will happen. EVs will happen. Generative AI will probably happen, but I think I might try to push that one back a few years if I was in a position to do so. Flying cars, fusion power, and space colonies probably aren't happening by 2025 regardless of how many butterflies flap their wings.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip 1 points 17 hours ago

Realize I'm somehow older than I actually would have been, would be the first thing I do. Next is do the best I can to act like a 10 year old and not cry over the fact I'm back in 4th grade again.

Though, knowing me, I'd absolutely get caught if I'm still mentally the same person I am now. I mean, if I inhabited the body of an extrovert, I'd be doomed because the parents would go from seeing their extroverted kid become immediately introverted yet unable to care what others think of him/herself. They'd see their child suddenly become a radically different person.

Also, ain't no way I'd be able to make it through a few days before getting caught because I guarantee I'd be suspicious because my way of speech would absolutely slip through. There ain't no way a 10 year old child would be spouting things like Chinese swears like NMSL or speaking Japanese words or short phrases or getting away with swearing, which if I'm still mentally me, would most likely if my internal filter comes with me on this nightmare.

And don't even get me started on my movements when I'm at home. I don't always walk like a normal person when I move and I'm pretty sure that's the autism and not being corrected by my parents.

[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (3 children)

At 10, I won't have much money to invest, and I doubt I'd convince anyone to invest on my behalf. So, the butterfly effect on the markets will be at least 10 years away. I'd spend my first 5-6 years soaking up the knowledge that would be most relevant to me for the late 00's, then from 16 or so I'd use that knowledge for well-paid gigs to earn money to invest, first into the stock market (short term), and later into startups I know will succeed. By 22, I'd start sponsoring the Cincinnati zoo, as a side project. By 24, I'll use my influence at the zoo to beef up security in the gorilla enclosure. The kid will not fall in, Harambe will live, and today's timeline will never materialize. Then I'll retire. You're welcome.

[–] Siethron@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

You better stick around and make sure the cubs don't win the world series either.

[–] vateso5074@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

This may be one of the better ideas I've read so far. Incredible, kudos!

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[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

So what you're saying is that I have 14 years to kill him

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 67 points 2 days ago (3 children)

And it’ll be easy to get near him because you’re a kid

[–] Talaraine@fedia.io 18 points 2 days ago

I just spit my coffee. Needed that laugh.

I first thought: hmm okay, I guess being a kid get adults guard down lets you freely go around to do things they don't expect like (hypothetical speaking) a murder

Then I read the comment below, someone said "needed that laugh", and I was like, huh, what's so funny?, then... it hit me... it hit me like epstein's private jet crashing into me

💀

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

How fucked up is it that I needed your comment to understand the comment of who you replied to? Jesus

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[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 24 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Impossible to read a USB stick from 2025 in the year 2002.

Impossible to read a backup of Wikipedia from 2025 in the year 2002.

Story over.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

This is, I'm sorry to say, baloney.

In 2002 Windows XP was already out and natively supported NTFS volumes. So did Windows 2000. XP even supported ExFAT volumes with a patch which was released in April 2001. If you're a Linux nerd, ext2 or ext3 could easily handle the partition and file sizes required. ext2 had already been available for decades at that point and ext3 was released in 2001 and readily available by 2002.

Without media, the current Wikipedia (according to itself) is a hair over 24 gigabytes not including images and media, which'd fit on a 32 gig flash drive that, while it would be absolutely amazing to 2002 users just based on its sheer usable volume, would handily accept a bog standard NTFS partition readable on any XP or Win2k machine.

There were no flash storage based drives bigger than one or two gigs in 2002, but there were plenty of external USB hard drives in that era that readily exceeded the 4 gig FAT32 file size limit. I know this well because I was there at the time, and I owned several of them. You had to manually format them as NTFS to be able to use the entire capacity effectively and with large files, but they absolutely did work over USB... Just not if you bunged them into a Windows 98 or ME machine. A modern flash drive would be no different. In all practicable terms you could mount a volume up to 2.2 terabytes (i.e. round thousands) or 2.0 tebibytes (powers of two, if you can countenance sounding ridiculous for using the word "tebibyte") in XP/2K if it were formatted NTFS without having to engage in any chicanery or third party tools. Even a ten year old could do it. You plug it in, and it'd Just Work.

Including media the entirety of the Wikimedia Commons is something like 420 TB, which would be a challenge even today to load onto a single USB flash drive. If you were going to include the media (images and videos) these would probably have to be downscaled significantly in order to fit on any single portable drive, even current ones.

The text content of Wikipedia would be no problem whatsoever. USB 3.0 didn't exist yet, though, so at best you'd be chugging along loading everything at 2.0 speed if you had a compliant board and all the correct drivers for it (and were running at least Win2k service pack 4). You'd want an HTML dump, not one of their database dumps, because running the current Wikimedia software and database versions would be a challenge for sure. But a browser from 2002 shouldn't trip up on any Wikipedia content except perhaps any .webp images (2010), or h264/h265 video content.

You'd have a much bigger problem if OP warped you and your USB drive back to 1998 or worse, 1995.

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[–] vateso5074@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (5 children)

For the sake of the scenario, in addition to the details listed in the body of the post, assume the USB drive is type A and is readable by any PC with a USB type A connector, regardless of generation. It can also be read regardless of file system.

There's an inherent supernatural element to the premise, so assume "it just works." There can be a specialized browser on the drive as well if you feel like you wouldn't be able to make use of the raw HTML files.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No assumptions are even required because this commenter is simply flat out wrong. See the breakdown here, or TL;DR: It would be trivial to mount a drive up to 2.2 TB (not GB, not MB...) using 2002 hardware.

I think a bigger assumption in this scenario is that if you're reborn as a random 10 year old holding a USB flash drive, you'll zap to a place on the globe with ready access to a recent computer.

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[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

I can mount an old drive made in 2002 right now, formatted in a 2002 era format, and put text files on it, compressed with tar and gz from 1990 if need be.

I assume that is the hardware we have to work with in this scenario.

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[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

That’s the impossible part?

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[–] YoFrodo@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Invest every cent i can get my hands on into bitcoin when possible, easy.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Or Apple, or nVidia. Or all of the above.

Edit: Actually, nVidia would be a bad call. Apple I think would result in around a 6000% return on investment by our deadline, which isn't exactly a rocket ride to the moon, but you could probably use Wikipedia's articles on pump and dumps and other financial scams to know in advance what's going to happen, and be one of those at the top of the pyramid rather than the bottom in order to raise yourself more short term capital.

As for all the comments about everyone going for the Get Rich path and not the Nobel Prize... Well, yeah. Even if you do have a literally encyclopedic knowledge of current and future geopolitical events, it's unlikely anyone important is going to listen to a 10 year old. Especially so if you're not allowed to give the game away. You could readily trade stocks online in 2002, though, even if you were a minor as long as you could employ some creativity (or get permission from your parents). How convenient that by the time you're ready to cash out, you've just turned into a legal adult.

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[–] Surp@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago
[–] stoly@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

First, see if they have the wining numbers for Powerballs that were never won. Something in the tens to hundreds of millions. Then use the entries on the stock market to invest in things that will take off, allowing you to sell before they tank.

Then take all that money and put it in to left wing think tanks that will make this mess go away entirely.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If I had money to invest in things when I actually waw back in 2002, I would have been set for life today. My high school economy class that year played some game that used real world stocks but with virtual money. We started with 10k and it went all school year; whoever had the most money at the end won a prize (a huge bag of candy). I won and all I had done was put half my money into Google and the other into Apple at the start and never touched it or even looked at it.

In this scenario, I still don't know how the info would necessarily help me get rich unless it had enough technical knowledge to recreate things before they "naturally" were invented so I could take credit. Presumably, I still would not have real money. I could probably get a lot of bitcoin. I used to have like 2 or 3 coins people gave away for free becsuse, at the time, they were worthless.

[–] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 1 points 40 minutes ago

Alternatively, owning a pizza restaurant that accepts bitcoin is a good way to get lots of it quickly.

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Step 1: become obscenely rich, at least like 300B before 2016.

Step 2: use my wealth to prevent Trump from becoming president(get fucked pedo looser!), Also gonna uncover the whole Trump Epstein thing early and get Epstein to testify in court against Trump if possible and put that asshole in jail for the rest of his miserable life.

Step 3: lobby for the following with the rest of my money:

  • ranked choice voting
  • public transit
  • a proper healthcare system that doesn't fuck everyone
  • make democracy in the us stronger any possible way I can
  • accelerate green energy transition

Step 4: retire in a comfortable sized house with some cats.

At least that would be my plan, but I feel like unintended consequences would probably fuck me over.

[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The years of buildup to you getting 300B before 2016 would alter the course of history though, making all your knowledge useless after you've amassed whatever amount changes history. You'd be hard pressed to make financial gains before you're 18, so you'd amass 300B between 2010 and 2016. At some point early on you'd draw too much attention and change history enough to have no idea what's coming.

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[–] rImITywR@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If I'm a 10 year old in 2002, first thing I do is go play some Melee.

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[–] AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Probably throw it through the wash on accident. First week.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would do anything to start transitioning before testosterone has a chance to wreck my body...

[–] vateso5074@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Well you're in luck, one bonus of the scenario is stipulated in the body of the post!

Your biological sex matches your gender identity (flip a coin if you are enby)

[–] slakje@piefed.social 8 points 2 days ago

I would just be happy to have a re-start at life and a chance to make better choices. Enjoy simpler times, get a head start on hobbies and passions, see my favorite bands that are no longer around :)

Eventually I would invest in things which would earn me a safety net and extra income (hard to do that as a 10 year old), but not in companies that go against my values. I don’t need to get rich but I would like enough to be able to benefit my loved ones and community. Not the most ambitious, but practical.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

If I was able to make lots of money somehow I’d buy up CDS’s before 2008 market crash.

Otherwise I’d just start mining bitcoin in 2009.

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[–] Son_of_Macha@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pretty horrifying scenario, my wife would be 21, I would be 10.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Anakin? Is that you?

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Throw it in the trash, so Biff finds it and ruins the timeline.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I probably start voicing concerns about the housing situation in 2006 then bet everything shorting it in 08. From there I buy a foreclosed house study electrical engineering and attempt to get a solar panel startup going cooperatively in the hopes of pushing 2014 Obama to focus on full renewables.

I don't need a lot of money, I need a future.

[–] SpicyTaint@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Play Metroid Prime on my GameCube again.

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

2002… uff, that would be hard. As a ten year old there is so little you can do!

I guess I would steal an identity and get some ground breaking research out on a quicker time scale. In particular trying to get ahead of the climate deniers. I would invest in some whatevers that made it big as soon as possible, then during the 2008 crisis, then Bitcoins.

I would find it impossible to not look for my friends and family, even just stalking them from afar. That would probably drive me insane.

I’d use my wealth to lobby hard for climate justice and climate research. Probably still hide my true identity. I’m not American, so I would need to think really hard if preventing Trump is worth it, but I would lobby for a quicker energy transition and for a better social net. I’d assume with the knowledge I have at hand, I could even tweak the end result of the 2008 crisis… but that would be a massive butterfly to introduce.

On a global scale, I would think that some properly timed interventions in Africa could have dramatic impacts both socially and ecologically, but I’d have to study more to figure that out.

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