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Context, not because I like Allen but because his info dump is on hand.

https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1977059498800873767

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[–] digredior@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

The defendant has the right to identify their accuser…

It’s just that in this case, the defendant is the ATF because they were overstepping their authority.

And now the ATF will have at least a partial list of gun owners. I guess the intent is to provide relief to these and only these plaintiffs? i.e. the ATF can restrict the sale of firearms to individuals aged 18-20 with anyone NOT named on that list?

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Their accuser is the organization. That doesn’t give them the right to know every member of the organization. That’s a really bad precedent.

[–] trager_bombs@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Lots of loud people demanding she be fired and of course the ATF is being flamed a good amount too (just from what I can see). I appreciate your breakdown on this, some interesting ways it can unfold that I wouldn't have known to watch for. 🤘🏽🖤

[–] digredior@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 11 hours ago

lol, yeah. I’m totally not a lawyer, but I do believe that in criminal cases that’s how it works between the defendant and the plaintiff. The defendant gets to face their accuser.

Now, this might be a civil suit, and I don’t know how that relates or changes in civil law. This seems like a civil tort case.

[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 90 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Color me shocked. I mean from the administration of the man who said, take the guns first and due process later.

Take the guns first - Trump

[–] trager_bombs@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago

Whoever convinced his following that the man only jokes and never does anything honestly deserves some kind of reverse peace prize. Like the Oppenheimer Award or some shit.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A few key points tho:

  1. Is this an actual registry by design, or a product of recent brain rot jurisprudence that relief only applies to the plaintiffs listed, and thus this membership list is needed to know who does gets said relief?
  2. They already appealed to modify the judgment, and even the DOJ lawyer signed on to their appeal.
  3. Why? The SAF is a growing activist group, but they’re hardly the bulk of owners. The ATF has been digitizing dealer books of 4473s for decades and has eFile paperwork reporting on lock - if they want to build a registry, they have it already.

This reads to me more like a judge made a call based on SCotUS’s recent goofy rulings around standing and relief, instead of a deliberate end-run registry.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, but Big Balls accidentally deleted the files when he was on the toilet, trying to post a meme.

[–] Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Which gun rights group are they referring to?

[–] iN8sWoRLd@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

(b) individuals and federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, dealers or collectors who were members of Firearms Policy Coalition, Inc., Second Amendment Foundation, or Louisiana Shooting Association at the time this action was filed on November 6, 2020

https://saf.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Reese-v.-ATF-judgment-10.7.25.pdf

[–] trager_bombs@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Oh, thank you- I promise I wasn't blowing smoke, I really was going to get that. 💀

[–] trager_bombs@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

I'll have to take a deeper dive, but as I've seen some of the actual right-winger pages posting statements on it I'm guessing that it isn't just those dangerous body dysmorphia folks.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

EXACTLY why I never joined a damned gun group. Also why I'm not even trying to find leftist groups.

[–] trager_bombs@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is also another clear example as to why it is so difficult to organize the left. 🫠💀

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 9 points 1 day ago

I want to join the People Who Hate People party, but it's hard to get a meeting together.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Srsly Barbie, you’re overdue for some MAGA facework. Tbh your job isn’t secure.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Neck work needed