Also, they decided to cast Jared Leto. That's enough to keep some people who'd otherwise watch the movie away.
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Jared Leto is a producer for the movie and is probably the one trying to make Jared Leto happen.
I was one of the people who stayed away because of Jared Leto.
Also, this
I was sooo gonna say this.. I’d rather have anyone in the celebrity world
A random famous person is accused of socially inappropriate behavior and they're banned from Hollywood before any evidence has been presented... But Jared Leto is accused of sexually harassing and terrifying his costars, going overboard with his "method acting" behind the scenes, which brought up a huge public debate over whether method acting was a legit thing or just a sign of poor acting skills... and the dude keeps getting cast in big films.
Does he have friends in really high places or something? Does he have dirt on Hollywood elites? Why is this guy still making movies?!
I think someone else pointed out that he is a producer on the movie. So, I guess he has enough money to throw his weight around, and that gets him more money or something. Ridiculous world, this is.
I'm a really big fan of Tron, and I loved the far-too-late sequel with the excellent Daft Punk soundtrack, but Ares has 1) Jared Leto and 2) Looks stupid as heck. So even some people in their 'target audience' are taking a pass on this one. Stop trying to make every damn movie a 'franchise', hollywood.
This movie should have been made 12 years ago
I've only seen one ad, and it looked nothing like a Tron movie... Like are they even in a computer? Stupid.
The first time I heard about it was a week or so ago, and the description someone gave me is that the computer people come into the real world. I dropped my jaw and thought to myself that the idea is the exact opposite of what made tron... well, tron.
Jeez Louise guy, watch your language! There's fucking children in the room!
The main problem is they are leaning too hard into the spectacle and not putting enough into the story and characters that would make the movie appeal to a far wider audience. The Matrix is still a cultural icon because of a combination of awesome special effects, memorable characters, and creative scenes. The original Jurassic Park still stands out as one of the best movies ever made, because it has awesome special effects, memorable characters, and creative scenes.
That is also before the massively inflated budgets for the last two Tron movies. They could have saved a significant amount of money by cutting down some of the special effects fight and chase scenes and instead showing more character interactions to make those scenes memorable. The later Matrix movies fell into that trap too, but not to the same extent. I keep bringing up The Matrix because if someone asks "What was that series of movies where the people go into the computer and fight computer programs?" that vast majority of people are going to say The Matrix.
The matrix is a classic because it took a basic philosophical idea (Plato's cave) and told an interesting story out of it. The visuals and zeitgeist are what took it from a nerd movie to one of the most iconic films ever made. The visual language of it is still used. A political movement over a decade after the movie came out named themselves after a scene in the movie. People still talk about the ideas behind it and will say they've "left the matrix" as a way of describing a less than zen "enlightenment". By combining an idea the average person could get their head around, but might be a bit heady for some of them, and a modern for the time fear (these computers seem to be more and more controlling us rather than us controlling them) it got people discussing it and remembering it.
I'd argue the other Wachowski masterpiece, sense8, was also so good because it took philosophy 101 (you can only truly know yourself) and told a story around it (but what if some people could know each other as well as themselves), it just had the misfortune of being kinda boring for the first few hours.
I think a lot of screenwriters could take a hint from that. Rather than trying to just tell a story, try to write a story that is built on ideas that you want to talk about or have people talk about. Try to create a harmony of aesthetic and plot with the point. And producers need to not try to shove these stories into easily marketable shapes. No story is great without risking being bad
See, this really explains why nobody can get this franchise right: nobody knows what the fuck is wrong.
Well, I’ll tell you what’s wrong with this franchise: it’s boring. You have shocking and wonderfully stunning visuals along with awesome soundtracks, but the story is boring as hell. All of these three movies are just so dull.
Make a Tron movie about something interesting, and people will go to see it. It’s a simple as that.
The thing is - the original became a cult classic in part because of the "cutting-edge" special effects. These modern takes look flashy, but they're not showing us anything "cutting-edge".
Funny enough, I think the now-dated look of the original is part of its charm. I wonder if a Tron sequel would do better with a "dumbed-down" look.
I saw the original in the theater. It was exactly as amazing as advertised.
But it’s been a long time since then
In limbo is how it has always been. It is really impressive/amazing that Disney dropped 180 mlll into this “franchise’. Both previous movies were flops.
What made them think this would be any different?
I don't know what made you think that, but you're wrong. Both Tron 1 and Tron 2 were moderate successes
It’s not as brainy as the past films and tries to appeal to the multiplex masses
Once again by trying to appeal to everyone Hollywood and corporate America have appealed to no one. Congrats, you made a movie no one wanted to see. Old Tron fans saw you trying to make a bland corporate written sequel, and people who have never seen Tron see a bland action movie with no plot.
And with is "brainy" in this case? Do they mean plot? That is crazy smart people don't want to just explosions and that we want a plot?
I loved the original Tron as a kid, I enjoyed Tron Legacy. I will never see Tron Ares because Jared Leto is a black void of personality. I'd rather rub salt in my eyes then watch him trying to act.
Why Jared Leto?? Are they not aware hes box office poison? I was hyped and it looked amazing until I saw his face. Stop giving him work. Hes so awful
He fronted a bunch of the money to make it, apparently.
I just went and saw it.
Honestly, it was fine except for every time Jared opened his mouth to monologue. I got no evidence other than my guts that say he wrote all his own dialog, and it's like listening to a teenager try and sound smart every single time.
The soundtrack eats planets. Go bump that shit on loop.
Tron Ares is a very long NIN video.
I prefer just enjoying the soundtrack.
Nobody knows what to do with Tron because nobody knows what made the original a fucken hit. I dont think you can get that again.
The original was a flop, it just got a cult following because tech nerds felt recognized in a movie about 'them' and 'computer stuff' with delightful 80s cheese that appeals to that audience.
Why Legacy didn't succeed though I honestly don't know. I remember seeing it as a kid with my dad in the cinema, it was like the 2nd movie I ever saw in cinema and we both loved it, the ads for it were everywhere and it was pushed as the IMAX film to sell the format to the general audience, every TV played clips of it at the store to sell the FullHD television sets.
No clue why it didn't catch on, I rewatched it recently as an adult and honestly it has the same general appeal of a simplistic hero's journey in a unique and very visual sci-fi universe. It reminded me the most of a movie like Star Wars, and for a 2010 film, it felt as good as if it released 20-30 years prior, and even had a universe that hits at something bigger, just like Star wars, not to mention Daft Punk who were still fairly popular at the time because they still did stuff.
Can't agree with that. Legacy traded the cool visuals and psudoreligious-techno story for the front of an apple store. The original is still inspiring today with the visuals. Its still one of the first things thought of when people mention computers, virtual reality, or anything that has to do with humanizing computer systems. It had a lot going for it which is why we are discussing it right now. The sequels all fail because they abandon the visuals and still tell a shit story. No one cares about Olivia Wylde's character, nobody cares about Clu, nobody cares about making armies in the real world with code. Show us a digital planet again, show us a free system with programs using I/O towers. Sequels fail because they always abandon the original Tron.
I honesty think people just like the Daft Punk score I dunno, it's not a very good movie at all, the first was far better and had a lot more substance. Somethings don't need a sequel maybe, it was a movie for it's time and place.
just make it look cool, sound cool, and give it a vaguely sensible story.
vaguely sensible story
"Oh shit. I'm stuck in the computer! Hey, how do I get out of here?"
"Just go over there."
Then just fill in what happens on the way over there.
Going into the computer is boring in a time where we are all in the computer all day. Make a sci fi series where the characters are transported to some green land with good food and sunshine.
That's you watching lotr.
How are we pronouncing “ares”?
TRON: ARSE
I laughed at loud at the "ARSE" reversal
It's such low hanging fruit omg
I was more making a joke about how close “ares” is to “arse”, but thank you.
Arse Technica
pls dont stop running it! ill be there soon to pay to watch it!!!!
Or maybe it’s not good enough to become a cultural force?