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I am sure this article has been shared before, however I wanted to have a look at this topic.
The articles short summary is this:

All 25 car brands we researched earned our *Privacy Not Included warning label – making cars the worst category of products that we have ever reviewed

I am currently driving a 2014 Ford Fiesta which just has a radio with a CD player and Bluetooth. I do not need more than that in a car.

The reason I am looking at all is that that the Fiesta does not belong to me and the friend owning it will be moving out in a bit, so I kinda need another one.

There seems to be one brand that is not as bad as the other ones (but still bad): Renault; mozilla's review...
Maybe I will have a look at their cars.

What do you guys think? Stick to older used cars and not use an EV or look at which of the manufacturers have the least bad privacy policy?

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[–] xav@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

My French car asks me at startup if I allow it to send my data. The default settings if I don't answer by 10 seconds is the last one, i.e. "no than you". Thank you EU.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 17 points 3 days ago (10 children)

None of this has anything to do with the car's powertrain. Regular internal combustion engine cars are just as bad as EVs in this regard.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Nobody said it does. OP said "buy an old car without all of this shit even though it won't be electric or suck it up"

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I was lucky enough to buy new in 2017, just before all the ridiculous privacy violations hit the fast lane

By the time this car is done for, I will have no option available that is not a privacy violation on wheels... jailbreaking/hacking will be my #1 purchase criteria of whatever my next car will be

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Well that's it, I'm just going to drive my 23-year-old 350Z Roadster forever. As a 90s computer geek, I would have never imagined that future technology would turn me into a classic car guy, yet here we are.

I miss the days when spyware was treated like a virus; now it's the norm.

[–] jmf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago

Late 90s and early through mid 2000s cars are gems as they are still very reliable as well as easy to maintain. Being a privacy advocate in this day and age practically requires you to get a cheap wrench set and learn the basics of maintaining one of these era vehicles.

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[–] 18107@aussie.zone 7 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I have an older Nissan Leaf in Australia. While I'm sure the car is trying to send telemetry, it only has a 3G modem, and the 3G network has been switched off for all of Australia.

If you have a newer car, it may be possible to remove the telematics fuse and ignore the related DTC.

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[–] Hirom@beehaw.org 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

This is a lose-lose-lose.

  • New cars don't respect people's privacy.
  • New cars cost more due to the extra camera/sensors/compute/connectivity necessary for tracking.
  • Less people buy new cars due to increased cost and tracking. Instead drive older, more polluting cars for longer.
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[–] agegamon@beehaw.org 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (19 children)

I bought a used Chevy bolt EV, for now I've pulled the onstar system fuse which kills the telemetry and GPS+cell antenna. No tracking with no power, it's my car and my battery so I decide what gets my power.

I'm not interested in letting any of these companies screw me over behind my back regardless of who is "less evil," but I've gotten so used to the convenience of EVs that I won't do without one.

I use my phone for navigation and music/podcasts and that still works just fine.

Might at some point look at a more sophisticated way of doing this like removing just the onstar module or terminating its antenna, but for now it's fine.

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[–] redlemace@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And all of a sudden data roaming costs isn't an issue anymore ;) Who pays the mobile subscription? Or do car manufacturers pay the telco's with a part of the data gathered ....

[–] iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Yes, the OEMs pay for it. They get sims that are prepaid for like 10 years.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Which shows that wholesale, data subcriptions are probably a few dollars a year.

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (13 children)

List of automotive connectivity module providers: https://www.evbusiness.net/ev-directory/automotive-lte-5g-module-manufacturers/

Find which one your car has. Then see if you can find a repair manual with schematics. Find where the cell antenna connects. Non-destructively disconnect it. This way your telematics won't be affected. It will just look like you're always in a cell dead-zone.

Edit: don't do this if it's a lease, a rental, or there's a loan on the vehicle. If you own it outright and it doesn't void the warranty, go nuts.

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[–] artifex@piefed.social 30 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I had been actively looking forward to the Slate truck (even though I don't want a truck) for this reason - an EV with modern drivetrain but no BS electronics or telemetry. Unfortunately the price has gone from about $20K - a price appropriate for it's minimalist approach - to "below $30K" and it's not due out for another year, so who knows how it will pan out.

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

Seeing how Bezos is involved it will start small and then jack up the prices as demand for it goes up. Probably even last minute fees for those on waiting lists.

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[–] YerbaYerba@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 days ago

I have a 2014 Chevy volt. Not a full EV, but used ones are affordable and the 3g cell modem no longer works.

We get 30-38 miles per charge depending on the outside temperature which covers most of our day to day driving. It will charge from a regular wall outlet (120v at 8 amps) in 12 hours. The ICE engine gets an oil change every 2 years since it gets rarely used.

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