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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

The struggle is not with the intent to successfully achieve post-scarcity communism, but to get as close as we possibly can, and once we get past efforts by the elite to sabotage those efforts, we can get pretty far (and have done so).

Think similarly to the objective to eliminate all petty crime in a society. You may never succeed, but you can reduce crime so that the rates are the lowest ever, and then go lower, and so on.

It's not all that hard. We already have (or had -- we're in regime change now) socialist programs that target low-income demographics (e.g. SNAP) and we have socialist programs that provide for everyone (e.g. CDC) and socialist programs that provide for general use (e.g. the NHTSA). We have libraries, the post office, the space program, and so on.

Communism happens by extending this communal infrastructure as far and wide as possible without privatizing it (the way George W. Bush did with Social Security pharma coverage), up to and including things like food and home production, mass transit and so on.

We've seen the Soviet Union fail to make communism work before corruption (and sabotage by the elites) overran their infrastructure. Similar we've seen the US fail to make democracy work before corruption (and sabotage by elites) overran the elections.

We try, try, again until we get over that damn hill.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 2 weeks ago

Capitalism is based. Democracy is based. Government is based. Regulation is based. Liberalism is based. Diversity is based.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Replace the word "communists" with "capitalists", and the joke works every bit as well.

My own views are a bit idiosyncratic, but I don't think capitalism has ever existed as a real thing in practice. The framework of ideas of what it's ostensibly supposed to be has never matched any real existing system, and I see communism in the same way (albeit at least in the case of communism they explicitly state that a system must be socialist first before evolving to their ideal endpoint).

But whatever you want to call the prevailing system that does exist, it needs to go, and it should be perfectly clear that the framework of capitalism as a template is long overdue to be scrapped. How many times does an idea have to fail before everyone recognizes it's time to move on?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

but I don't think capitalism has ever existed as a real thing in practice

What an absurd claim. Stop fooling yourself. We are living in the "best" form of capitalism. This is the end game for capitalism. It always has been.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

Steel-manning the argument, there is the notion that we could create a functional well-regulated capitalist society that is robust against capture by companies and elites. The problems we haven't solved are twofold:

One, company officials will do what they want rather than what maximizes profit, usually because the shareholders and watchdogs don't always know what maximizes profit in the long term, so they can't demand upper management to do that.

This is why we still have crunching in media development. This it's why we have poor treatment of employees generally. (It's established by data now that crunching doesn't speed the way to meeting deadlines, and well-treated workers produce more value at a rate that exceeds the cost of treating them well in contrast to treating them poorly. Companies treat them like shit anyway.) This is also why we have a lot of bullshit jobs which are office clerks being used and treated more as courtiers and garden hermits than office staff.

And two is that once government is partially captured, it always moves towards getting more captured and serving companies over the public. This is the fundamental failure in the system that Marx defines in Das Kapital.

So far we've not figured out a way to counter these properties of capitalism as practiced worldwide. Should we ever, then regulated capitalism will be a viable economic model, but not yet. This isn't to say a solution doesn't exist, only we haven't found it yet.

[–] rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net -1 points 2 weeks ago

Capitalism has caused more deaths by far

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