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Is an NDP Led by Rob Ashton the Worst Nightmare for Both Pierre Poilievre and Mark Carney? (davidcoletto.substack.com)
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[–] Corngood@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Pierre Poilievre’s brand has been simple and effective, an anti-elite crusader promising to fight for the “common people” against a rigged system.

God this is fucking depressing.

I don't know what it takes for people to realise that the NDP is an option for the working class. It's probably some combination of the leader's attributes, and competent staff getting the right messages out in the right places. I hope they can get it right.

[–] rexbron@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

People don't like being told what the want is wrong, even if it is.

Quality of life, not world issues and social justice, are what makes the working class vote for a party. Your union is there to get you higher wages and better working conditions, equality is a side effect of membership, not the goal.

[–] BCBoy911@lemmy.ca 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

There's been a huge working class vacuum in Canadian politics for years that Pollievre was able to fill despite being a horrible fit ("boots not suits" while wearing $2000 suede leather shoes lol). We need real socialists and trade unionists running the NDP again.

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago

Poilievre is a beneficiary of an enormous amount of tailwinds from right-wing political winds blowing into Canada from the south, and the fact that our social media and a lot of our traditional media are owned south of the border or aligned with that movement.

The NDP is going to face a big challenge in this environment no matter what. The NDP coffers are far from bursting at the seems, and they won't get the benefit of all that free support that exists on the right.

I'm interested to learn more about Ashton, and I really want to see the NDP have a resurgence. We need strong people going into politics for the NDP to keep the multi-party system healthy.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 days ago

Wow I thought this being Coletto he'd be talking about some poll. Did not expect to see him glaze Rob Ashton!

And yeah Rob is gonna mop the floor with PP. He's gonna attack him hard on his fake solidarity and I think it's gonna work. Ashton doesn't have to play theatre to look and sound like a worker.

[–] tleb@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I think he's the right direction the NDP need to go in, but Rob Ashton himself is pretty uninspiring when you listen to him talk.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 12 points 6 days ago

He looks like he’d get really animated talking about triple-hopped IPAs.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca -3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Yea he needs some vocal coaching. Edgy guitar tracks aren't enough.

[–] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago

For real? This just felt like a normal person talking, which is exactly the shtick he's aiming for.

[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 5 days ago

If an article title ends in a question mark the answer is no, someone is just trying to plant a stupid idea in your head

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

This dude seems cool.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Short answer no.

Long answer Mike Harris was so bad for Ontario that they won’t vote NDP no matter who it is. Adding in massive right wing immigration (because people in left wing societies have no reason to leave) we are unlikely to see this change anytime soon.

[–] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago

Mike Harris was a conservative... Did you mean Bob Rae?

[–] Grabthar@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Never seen NDP blamed for anything Harris did. The hate anyone remembers seems to start and end with Rae Days. I think they were mainly castigated for not fixing Mulroney's problems (yes, Ontarian voters just can't seem to figure out why their premier can't fix federal politics) and providing that one particularly unpopular policy. Harris was actually popular enough to have Ontarians eager to double down on him. Again, Ontario voters were impressed enough with Chretien and Martin righting the ship to give credit to the provincial PCs.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Selling 407? Had to do it because Rae bankrupted the province.

Actually they campaigned on selling public assets to fix it.

[–] Grabthar@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That may justify it to some right leaners who don't seem to care about privatisation anyway, but I don't think any potential NDP voter doesn't just see that as his transparent way of feathering his retirement by ingratiating himself to wealthy businessmen. Rae Days legit pissed off all the unionized government workers who weren't going to risk a pay cut again. I know because I am one of them. That's all you are going to hear if you bring up the NDP with the older crowd. It's Pavlovian at this point. They are smart enough to lay the 407 blame at Harris' feet and have no love for the PCs either, largely because Harris had a personal hatred for government workers. But Rae turning against union workers was something they similarly can't forgive.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The NDP fights with PCs for votes anyway because workers tend to be right wing anyway.

It’s a mark of not being educated, just like those unionized government workers would rather lose their job than take unpaid days off (wait until you tell them about covid)

[–] Grabthar@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Government job cuts aren't exactly random, and people know when they are in a safe job versus one of the more volatile positions. Rae bucked the trend of how the public service normally handles expansion and contraction and it pissed off the large core of safe workers to protect volatile jobs that would likely be cut in the short to mid term anyway. I imagine it particularly pissed off those retiring soon who had their highest earning years averaged down under Rae, making for smaller pensions. While the actual effect would likely have been small, it did have an outsized psychological effect on government workers. I'm not surprised the public at large never understood it. Rae didn't either though, and the NDP has never been able to restore their labour party rep since.

[–] Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What does Harris have to do with the NDP? Wasn't he a conservative?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yes but they blame all the bad he did on Bob Rae for putting the world into the recession that was going on when the NDP took office.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Conservatives will scream shit like “pick your poison” and then CHUG the worst poison. They’re fully stupid or they know their option sucks and are trying to justify but are also incredibly stupid. I mean, Ontario elected Doug Ford TWICE because “those Liberals are corrupt, ya know” like brother if you’re against corruption I have some terrible news for you.

The point of this is to say that Ontario is dumb as rocks. ~45% turnout and a lot of complaining after electing a cartoon villain to power.