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Hello, a while ago I found clips of his lectures on YouTube about history, politics, etc. I would like to know what others think about his ideas or views. (I don't know if there exists a better community to ask about this topic.)

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[–] GeorgimusPrime@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Some of the ideas ("psychohistory") are borrowed from Isaac Asimov's Foundation novels. Mostly on point at first glance, but I might change my mind after watching everything.

[–] JackBones@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I going to learn more about Issac Asimov, only knew him for the Laws of Robotics. Thx!

[–] bremen15@feddit.org 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Does it mention cliodynamics?

[–] bremen15@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Short comparison:

Professor Jiang Xueqin's Predictive History

Background: Jiang Xueqin is a Beijing-based historian and educator with a Yale degree in English Literature and research positions at Harvard's Graduate School of Education. He has served as Deputy Principal at prestigious Chinese schools, including Tsinghua University High School and Peking University High School.

Core Methodology: Jiang's "predictive history" approach is explicitly borrowed from Isaac Asimov's fictional concept of "psychohistory"—a science that uses history, sociology, and mathematics to predict the behavior of large populations. His framework combines:

  1. Historical Pattern Recognition: He uses historical precedents like the Sicilian Expedition by ancient Athens, the Vietnam War, and ongoing conflicts to identify recurring patterns
  2. Game Theory: Jiang analyzes key players' incentives and concludes how different actors might provoke conflict based on their divergent endgames
  3. Historical Analogy: Rather than pure quantitative modeling, he draws parallels between past empires and current geopolitical situations

Key Ideas:

  • Jiang predicts a coming era of spiritual exhaustion and religious revival, arguing that "the appeal of money and materialism is dying" and people are "exhausted, disillusioned, and frustrated"
  • He sees civilizational collapse as linked to spiritual vacuum and elite failure, not just economic factors
  • His analysis emphasizes how major powers overestimate their capabilities, underestimate local resistance, and misjudge strategic costs

Notable Predictions: Jiang gained viral attention for his May 2024 lecture predicting Trump's return to the presidency and a U.S.-Iran war driven by Israel lobby pressure, Saudi interests, and America's reliance on global hegemony.


Cliodynamics (Peter Turchin)

Background: Peter Turchin is a theoretical biologist with no formal history degrees who founded cliodynamics, a transdisciplinary field integrating cultural evolution, economic history, macrosociology, and mathematical modeling.

Core Methodology: Cliodynamics treats history as science—practitioners develop theories that explain dynamical processes like the rise and fall of empires, then translate these theories into mathematical models and test predictions against data. Key elements include:

  1. Mathematical Modeling: Turchin employs equations like the predator-prey (Lotka-Volterra) model to analyze the dynamics of medieval agrarian states as oscillatory systems
  2. Big Data: Building massive databases like the Seshat Global History Databank to systematically collect data on political and social organization across human societies
  3. Structural-Demographic Theory: Focuses on measurable variables including real wage stagnation, elite overproduction (growing demand for educational credentials, exploding MBAs and JDs), and state fiscal health

Key Concepts:

  • Elite overproduction is identified as the most critical driver of social instability, alongside popular immiseration and declining state fiscal health
  • Turchin's theory of secular cycles explains how population and warfare variables oscillate with the same period but shifted in phase
  • Emphasizes that theories must be translated into mathematical models with precise predictions tested on empirical material

Notable Predictions: Turchin predicted in 2010 that U.S. political instability would peak in the 2020s based on 50-year cycle patterns (spikes around 1870, 1920, 1970).


Key Comparisons

Similarities:

  • Both seek to make history predictive and scientific
  • Both reference Asimov's psychohistory concept as inspiration
  • Both identify patterns and cycles in historical processes
  • Both focus on predicting major social/political instability

Major Differences:

Aspect Jiang's Predictive History Turchin's Cliodynamics
Academic Training Humanities (English Literature) Natural Sciences (Biology)
Primary Method Historical analogy + game theory Mathematical modeling + statistical analysis
Data Approach Qualitative pattern recognition Quantitative databases and metrics
Emphasis Spiritual/cultural factors, elite psychology Economic inequality, demographic cycles
Specificity Makes specific near-term predictions (dates, actors) Identifies broad cyclical trends and timeframes
Rigor Critics note assumptions and historical examples that may be out of context Critics argue mathematical models can be opaque and produce banalities
Cultural Lens Bicultural (China-US), emphasizes civilizational soul Western academic, emphasizes structural-demographic forces

Philosophical Differences:

  • Jiang emphasizes that "powerful people are influenced by beliefs and warp reality to fit their beliefs—it's a self-fulfilling prophecy", suggesting agency and ideology matter greatly
  • Turchin insists that "in science, data triumph over theories" and seeks laws independent of individual agency

Flexibility: Jiang acknowledges, "If my prediction is wrong, I re-work my model," suggesting an iterative, less dogmatic approach, whereas cliodynamics claims to be testing falsifiable hypotheses with the scientific method.

Both approaches face skepticism from traditional historians who argue that complex social formations cannot and should not be reduced to quantifiable points, as this overlooks each society's particular circumstances. However, they represent essential attempts to find patterns in history that might help us navigate contemporary crises.

[–] bremen15@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Is Jiang Xueqin a Scientist? What Are His Credentials?

Academic Background: Jiang has a Bachelor's degree in English Literature from Yale College (graduated 1999). He is a researcher at the Global Education Innovation Initiative at Harvard Graduate School of Education and a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts Jiang Xueqin - Big Think +2

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He is NOT:

A trained historian with a PhD in history
A political scientist with formal academic credentials in international relations
A scientist in the conventional sense (no training in data science, statistics, or quantitative methods)

He IS:

An education reformer and administrator who has worked at elite Chinese schools
A public intellectual and writer who contributes to media outlets
Someone who explicitly identifies as "a conspiracy theorist" in his own words
Lessons from Jiang Xueqin

His Objective and Approach Self-Admitted Conspiracy Thinking:

Jiang himself states: "I'm a conspiracy theorist...but you can make the argument that some of this was intentional to implode the Chinese economy" Lessons from Jiang Xueqin

. This is significant—he's not hiding this aspect of his thinking. His Background Story:

After Yale, Jiang struggled professionally, rarely lasting more than six months in journalism jobs. He was rejected by major publications like The New Yorker and "spent his days at home, drinking and playing video games late into the night." He had difficulty getting along with colleagues and editors Bitter Lessons From a Chinese Education Reformer His education reform experiment at Shenzhen Middle School (2008-2009) lasted less than two years and ended badly. He admits: "I didn't respect those kids, nor did I communicate myself as best as I could. That's what I regret the most." His approach was described as "aggressive, forthright, and at times arrogant." ChinaFile Sixth Tone What He Offers:

Jiang describes his methodology as applying pattern recognition learned from Yale's English department and Harvard's education research to history. His academic training was "to read patterns in complex texts"—now applied to geopolitical events Jiang Xueqin’s Prophecies of Global Collapse and Civil War 📉 Critical Assessment Major Concerns:

No Formal Historical Training: Unlike Turchin (who at least has extensive published research and peer-reviewed work), Jiang has no academic credentials in history, political science, or any quantitative field.
Self-Professed Conspiracy Theorist: He openly embraces this label, which should raise red flags about confirmation bias and motivated reasoning.
No Peer Review: His "Predictive History" is essentially a YouTube channel, not published research subject to academic scrutiny.
Lack of Counterarguments: As you noted, he presents theories without engaging opposing views or acknowledging uncertainty in the way a trained scholar would.
Pattern Matching Without Rigor: His method of finding historical analogies (Athens-Sicily = U.S.-Iran) is a common form of historical reasoning, but without systematic methodology, it can be highly misleading. History is full of false analogies.
Unfalsifiable Claims: His statement, "If my prediction is wrong, I re-work my model," is the opposite of scientific thinking—it means the framework can never be proven wrong.
Jiang Xueqin’s Prophecies of Global Collapse and Civil War 📉

What He's Actually Doing:

Jiang appears to be:

An educated storyteller using historical narratives to create compelling geopolitical scenarios
A public intellectual who found an audience after years of professional frustration
A contrarian thinker who positions himself against mainstream narratives (which can be valuable but also risky)
Someone engaged in speculative futurism rather than rigorous predictive modeling

The YouTube Video Concern

Without being able to access the specific video you linked, based on the pattern of his work:

Yes, he does present conspiracy-oriented theories without robust counterarguments:

Claims about the "Jewish lobby" pushing for war
Theories about intentional economic implosion
Grand narratives about elite manipulation and civilizational collapse
Self-fulfilling prophecies involving religious end-times believers

His appeal comes from:

Getting some predictions partially correct (Trump's return, Iran tensions)
Speaking to genuine anxieties about inequality, conflict, and decline
Offering clear, dramatic narratives in uncertain times
His bicultural perspective and contrarian stance

The danger is:

Confirmation bias (people remember hits, forget misses)
Lack of epistemic humility
Potential to spread unfounded conspiracy theories
Simplifying complex geopolitics into good-guys-vs-bad-guys narratives

Bottom Line

Jiang is not a scientist or trained historian. He's an autodidact public intellectual with a humanities background who has found an audience for his speculative geopolitical storytelling. His work should be consumed as:

Thought-provoking perspective from someone with an enjoyable life experience
One possible interpretation of current events, not an authoritative analysis
Speculative scenario-building rather than rigorous forecasting

Compare this to Turchin, who, despite his critics:

Has a PhD in a quantitative field (biology)
Publishes peer-reviewed research
Uses databases and statistical methods
Has his work been critiqued and refined by other scholars
Makes falsifiable predictions

Your instinct to be skeptical is correct. Jiang's work can be interesting to think about, but should not be treated as authoritative. He's more akin to a public commentator or futurist than a researcher. The fact that he presents theories "without counterarguments" is a major methodological red flag—good scholarship always engages with alternative explanations and acknowledges uncertainty.

[–] JackBones@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Now I understand better. Thx!

[–] bremen15@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago

... so he is full of bullshit.