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He has said:

I take no position per se on Brexit... But, I quite often get asked a second question: what's the impact on economic growth?

And the answer is that for the foreseeable future it is negative.

Thoughts on this?

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 36 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Who could have possibly seen this coming?

[–] djdarren@piefed.social 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We were promised sunlit uplands, so surely it's just a matter of time, right?

Right?

[–] Apocalypteroid@feddit.uk 4 points 5 days ago

I'm pretty sure they said "fluorescent lit wastelands".

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Is there an adult in the room who will finally say out loud that the UK needs to rejoin the EU as soon as possible?

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago

The Greens are the only polotical party that have rejoining as their policy AFAIK. People would rather vote reform

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 3 points 5 days ago

Plenty they will just be overrun with idiots.

And the EU would be pretty daft if they accepted us.

[–] Olap@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I told you so rings hollow sadly. Brexiteers have no real answers, but LINO aren't going to reverse, and nor will Reform. The case for an independent Scotland in the EU growing stronger every year

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 10 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I would have put good money on Scotland leaving the UK and remaining in the EU right after Brexit.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yeah unfortunately that are locked in by the same logic.

The only thing more stupid then leaving your largest trading partner. Is being a smaller country and leaving your largest trading partner.

The UK as a whole is as if not more important to Scotland then the EU. And now we have been dumb enough to leave the EU. It's a fucking nightmare for Scotland both ways.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 4 points 5 days ago

It's a bit of a catch-22 in which good and bad circumstances both make people hesitant to upset the apple cart. Economy is bad? Seems dangerous to put barriers up with our primary trading partners (the rest of the UK). Economy is good? Well then let's stay and take advantage of it

To be clear I do think it'd work out better in the long run, particularly in terms of democratic representation because FPTP is fucked and not going to go away easily. I get why people are reticent though

[–] Olap@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Me too Maestro, me too. Not too late yet, but no clear route either sadly

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I would have put good money on Scotland, Northern Ireland, ~~and Wales~~ leaving the UK and remaining the the EU.

[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 2 points 4 days ago

I was wondering that while I was writing it, figured I'd be corrected ;-)

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

There is literally no way in which a nation which is already well in its post Empire decay period can improve its lot by cutting ties with its natural partners, more so if it's doing it to get closer ties with another nation now entering its own post Empire decay period.

Maybe if the UK was an "up and coming" young nation not hobbled by a thick web of cronyism, nepotism and socially and culturally decaying lazy elites more worried about maintaining their privileges and not being caught diddling children, than about making shit happen, and a population that in their most believes that "people should know their place", this stupid, stupid idea might actually not hinder Britain's progress too much, but for this walking corpse of a once mighty nation, cutting themselves from a "together we're stronger" group like that isn't going to end well.

Then again, if Britain wasn't a decaying corpse I doubt the idea of Brexit would even come to be, much less gain enough votes to pass, as the required mix of societal calcification, desperation and the masses having long been manipulated into compliance and looking for the enemy outside rather than the enemy within, wouldn't be there, so those many decades of "blame the EU" by politicians and the Press would not be there, a Tory politician would not believe he could boost himself in the polls by running a referendum to leave the EU and in such a referendum it would not be possible to convince enough people that they would be better of the country left the EU.