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This does unfortunately happen multiple times per day. Sometimes it’s smaller incidents where the tram driver can get out and collapse the car’s mirror. Other times the owner of the car comes out of a nearby house after the tram used its bell extensively (like today) and moves the car. And then there are times when police needs to get involved to tow the car which often takes upwards of 1 hour.

The truly infuriating part is that if the tram damages a poorly parked car, the transportation company will have to pay the damages. Poorly parked vehicles never get fined and the owners will only need to pay if the car ends up getting towed.

Why do we accept that drivers sabotage a city’s public transport infrastructure like this?

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[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 2 days ago (3 children)

AchBremen.txt

This is particularly bad in this German city, the city state even won a court case that allows on-curb parking, because the city is too afraid of car owners and too little of pedestrians, wheelchair users and bicycle riders.

The sound of the bell makes me so angry.

Sometimes, the tram passengers group up and move small cars out of the tracks manually.

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[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 58 points 3 days ago

In Belgium it works like this: If the tram could seemingly pass, but the tram driver was mistaken, then the car owner + insurance has to pay the tram company for the damage/delay/towing. If the tram driver has to stop and wait for the car to get towed, then the car owner + their insurance have to pay for towing costs + the tram delay. In theory anyway: I don't know hard the enforcement is, maybe they only try to go after delay costs if they are significant.

Dutch article with 2 examples, first one with car at fault, 2nd one with bus at fault: https://mijnverkeersongeval.be/nl/faq_categories/aansprakelijkheid/bijzondere-gevallen/tram

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

if the tram damages a poorly parked car, the transportation company will have to pay the damages. Poorly parked vehicles never get fined and the owners will only need to pay if the car ends up getting towed.

THAT is exactly the problem.

The politicians made sure the Law was set-up to benefit car owners and screw the rest, similarly to how drivers will get a mere fine when they kill somebody with their car whilst distracted (say, looking at their mobile phones) in situations which if they didn't do it behind the wheel of a car would be treated as involuntary homicide (what Americans call manslaughter) and carry a jail sentence, because they didn't have due care and attention whilst controlling a dangerous piece of machinery.

I once heard (not really sure if it's true, but damn I would love if it was) about how in Switzerland they had this car tow which was simply a big grab claw - similar to those in junkyards - that just grabbed irregularly park cars from above to put it in the tow truck and, well, any damage to the vehicle was the responsability of the car owner for having parked the car like that

Have something like that and this problem you're describing (in, judging by the picture, Bremen in Germany) would solve itself within a month as news travelled of car owners doing this shit and getting their car trashed. Then again, German mainstream politicians absolutelly are in the pockets of the car industry (all it takes is to look at how the handling of the Emissions Scandal was basically "blame some random Engineer", or check which companies get the most subsidies in Germany), so don't expect pro-people legilstation if it goes against the interests of the car lobby.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

How can they install a track and not bother to paint a parking line on the road.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The amount of drives I've seen who are completely incapable of parking within generously sized painted parking spaces is genuinely concerning. You can even see in the above photo that it's parked over a foot away from the curb so the driver really parked like shit and some lines on the road probably wouldn't make any difference

[–] Juice@midwest.social 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The fact is, most people shouldn't be driving. That's not an individual criticism its an objective condition.

Which is why we need trains and hi quality public transit!

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

We'll have to figure out why the train driver is made responsible instead of the parked car drivers.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Or any car abandoned on the tracks becomes public property and is auctioned off to improve the trams

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Surprised. In Belgium it is a minimum of 150 for the first parking violation.
Going up by 100 each time.
Blocking the tram is a more severe one, 400+

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[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 25 points 3 days ago

The transportation company is not responsible if passengers break the windows of the car and flatten their tires. I guess doing this a couple of times and the newspapers reporting crazy team users destroying cars on the path of the train will fix the issue.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Riders should get out and kick in the windows, imo.

But seriously the city created this problem by not bumping out the curb to the area that shouldn't be parked in.

If you want to take things into your own hands: paint a no parking area on the ground there (diagonal lines in a box) and steal a no parking sign from elsewhere and plant it there if there's not already one so cops will ticket these people.

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[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.vg 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

sabotage

the correct term here. If they don't understand parking, they should not have a driving license. If they do, it's intentional.

[–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When losing a driver's license means losing a job and access to groceries, the standards have to be lowered. Even as low as they are, people with suspended licenses still mostly drive, because our infrastructure requires it to live. Better public transit is the only path to giving bad drivers a way to participate in society without having to drive.

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.vg 1 points 1 day ago

the standards have to be lowered

No. You don't get a license to kill others with your car in order to survive.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Sounds like a good place to work as a tow truck operator.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 24 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Put a bull bar on the tram, easy fix

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I assume the spot is clearly labeled for no parking? Just station a tow truck by the offending spot. Someone parks there they get an insta-tow. Word will get around quick enough.

[–] JASN_DE@feddit.org 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That's not how this works in Germany. You cannot simply tow cars as you please as a tow truck operator, you need to be called in by the police.

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[–] Pechente@feddit.org 13 points 3 days ago

Nope, this is an official parking spot. The guy just parked recklessly and is sticking out too much. But of course you need to have parking spots in this street as to not inconvenience drivers one bit.

[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah tow truckers live for this sort of gig, multiple tows per day, while basically hanging out

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[–] Humana@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

$/€100 fine that doubles every minute the tram is impeded.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Scale it to personal wealth

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Everybody here is suggesting the train rams the car, but it's liable for damages.

Who knows who flipped that car though. Some guys who left?

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

Where i like there was a time the police would routinely drive main routes of public transit along with the (pubic-ish) transit company - same car even - and flag cars for towing.
Haven't seen many cars requiring towing since, but it does still happen from time to time.

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