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[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Embarrassing for the Republicans, but I don’t see a lot of “panicking”.

Like, if you’re an EMT or a soldier, you’ve probably seen all the elevated alarm responses people display when the shit hits the fan. Do the responses discussed in this article even register?

They aren’t “panicked”, they’re annoyed. They’re not panicked because the obvious reality has not changed.

Trump is immune from prosecution for his actions, which will all be construed as being done in his capacity as President, and even if the Democrats put on a show trial, they will fumble deliberately or put some type of petty sanction or fine of him, because they ultimately work in concert with Republicans and take their policy directive signaling from them, and at the very least they have receipts on one another. The rest in the administration, though they might be diminished in their popularity and ability to move about in society without derision and scorn, maybe they’ll get indicted too, but again, nothing will really come of it for the same reasons. They’ll still be rich from insider trading and crypto rug pulls.

They’re not scared.

This is a war with two fronts. The only way to win is to have an army of tens of thousands of progressives/leftists who are willing to be one term politicians in as many districts as possible.

One term. Kamikaze baby.

Right now there are a handful of hopeful prospects but not anywhere near the groundswell that I’m talking about.

You get something like that going, really picking up seats and state offices in big numbers, then they’ll “panic”.

When they start leaving the country, that’s how you’ll know they’re panicking.

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Great idea and funnel them to RunForSomething to learn

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Amazing and monumental turnout. Sending love from the UK.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 38 points 2 days ago (7 children)

3.5% participation is required for a population to reach a Tipping Point, and start a trend that leads to change. In America, that's about 12.5 million people. The last No Kings protest was about 5.5 million people, this one was around 7 million, so we're getting closer.

The thing to remember, because MAGA surely does, is that the 12.5 million doesn't all have to be out marching. The No Kings protesters represent less than half of their actual numbers. In fact, they probably represent less than 20% of their total. A LOT of sympathizers stayed home, most of them, in fact.

MAGA understands that the protesters are only a small portion of the actual resistance, and they know they are surrounded. It's time that the rest of the country recognizes that.

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 14 points 2 days ago

I admit, it almost worked on me. I was a little scared to go, and I left my phone and identifying information at home. I also brought a 360 degree camera in case shit happened, figured I’d have a better chance of getting it on camera.

But instead it was a massive party, just fun people, hilarious signs and a truly pleasant and enjoyable walk through the city. It really helped break some of my cynicism; some, not all.

I can’t wait for the next one.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Seem to be a lot of people posting this so I'll just repost what I wrote elsewhere :

The 3.5% theory is extremely questionable. The first paragraph of (the BBC) article is problematic if you know like 3 things about Philippine politics.

I’ve dug deeper into the data and it is very opinionated how it defines “success” and violence/nonviolence.

I’m not a pro-violence guy, i defend liberation struggles, but work to create educational/political/cultural revolution. Also the 3.5% mobilized population would be rad AF in USAmerica.

I haven’t read the whole book the study is based on, though I was working on it for a while. But IMO it misrepresents historical fact to make a nice-sounding abstraction, and I’m not sure how people will react to its failure, which would be based on a faulty premise.

We need to be more focused on what we will do with the power that will come from mobilizing like 12 million Americans rather than hoping some members of the political class notice and decide to fix things. The actual problem is that power is kept out of the hands of workers. The thought of building that power and giving it away would be a catastrophic blow to our movements.

The political system is empowered to fix problems, but not equipped. As far as I can tell, the only people who have ever created or fixed a goddamn thing in all of history have been workers.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

3.5% participation is required for a population to reach a Tipping Point, and start a trend that leads to change.

Do you have a source for this? I was recently wondering about specific numbers and would happily read something on the topic.

[–] hoppolito@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

The Wiki article is a good starting point I think.

Most important to keep in mind for this is that afaik the research was only correlative so there can be any amount of other factors in causative play.

But it’s an intriguing couple of studies nonetheless.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

Two good books are Malcom Gladwell's Tipping Point, and Mark Penn's Microtrends.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 days ago (10 children)

No it doesn't and stop posting this as gospel and read what the people who observed this actually say. For one there is one where 6% of the population was involved and it failed. Another protests are becoming less effective both peaceful and violent. Another other factors are also important besides the 3.5 number. Look up what these guys actually say instead of arriving some magical number.

[–] MBech 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd like to add. You also need them to actually be afraid. If they know a few protests is all it's ever going to become, they won't give half a shit. The threat, and the reason the government might start acting differently, is from the implecation that these (I suppose in this case 12.5 million) people are ready to hang the government. If they aren't ready to do that, fuck all is going to change. As it is right now, it seems 99% of the protesters are pacifists. As in, going to do fuck all either way.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

They don't have to think that that many people are going to physically come after them--they have to think that if that many peaceful people are against them, how many not-so-peaceful are also out there? They have to think that those millions of people are going to be on the side of and support those that do come after them and won't cooperate with the regime. In other words, if something should happen, these millions of pacifists will have seen nothing, heard nothing, have no idea where the "terrorists" are hiding, etc.

They also have to worry that if millions turned out to peaceably protest, millions might also participate in a general strike or other large work stoppages, another means of peaceful protest that scares them more than just large crowds. Even the threat of labor being withheld scares the oligarchs. So ee need to make that happen. The mayor of Chicago has already called for it.

They also have to worry that millions might also take part in the upcoming Black(Out) Friday on Nov. 28th, another form of peaceful protest the day after Thanksgiving (some say it lasts for the whole week) when we refuse to shop at big box stores/big businesses, only buying from small/local businesses. That's the weekend that most retail companies make the bulk of their annual sales.

And BTW it was very important that there was no violence at the protests--the regime had been putting out a lot of propaganda warning that it would be violent and that participants would be mostly "antifa terrorists", "illegal immigrants" and "Hamas supporters". They hoped to get some footage of violence they could spread and tout as proof of their assertions and were denied--everyone could see how ridiculous their claims were. That's important.

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[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

No kings needs to accelerate their frequency. This needs to move to every night.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

A correlation not a requirement.

You could at least as easily say the calendar date is most important. With peoples lack of attention span, will this still matter to them next election? As we continue to build support, will it hit critical mass at the right time to affect next election?

Or on the shorter term, is it only the local results that matter. I live in a blue state that is trying to fight back in some ways. My most important short term goal is to show them that’s what their constituents want. They need to fight back with every chance they get and to not be discouraged.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 132 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Trump posting a video dropping bombs from his asshole on the protests shows that he does, in fact, care a lot about the protest so he is doing as ridiculous of a thing as he can to counteract it...

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[–] ravenaspiring@sh.itjust.works 80 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The day was not only nonviolent but also historic. The estimated nearly 7 million who showed up across America marked the second-largest one-day protest in U.S. history, surpassed only by a very different type of event, the first Earth Day in 1970. That was roughly 40% largest than the first “No Kings” event in June, and in talking to protesters Saturday it seemed the turnout was only boosted by the right-wing rhetoric, that anti-Trump protesters must be some kind of domestic terrorists.

...

The official White House reaction, as related to one reporter, was “Who cares?” But guess what? They clearly cared, a lot. You could see that in the week leading up to the demonstration, with the increasingly insane rhetoric and warnings about “antifa” — a tiny, unorganized sliver of young rock-throwing radicals who were nowhere in sight Saturday — that aimed to neutralize the reality that millions of everyday Americans are sick of seeing a masked secret police snatch people off the streets.

In a maneuver that North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un must have surely applauded, Trump’s Pentagon fired some artillery shells over a closed I-5 in the heart of Southern California’s anti-Trump rally as the protests were taking place — ostensibly to mark the 250th anniversary of the armed forces, but alsoas a reminder of the regime’s military might as Trump weighs invoking the Insurrection Act.

[–] ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 64 points 3 days ago (3 children)

All good, but saying that antifa is a group of rock-throwing radicals is dumb at best and plays into the fascist's narrative.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 23 points 3 days ago

yeah I hate this bullshit throwing around antifa like its a particular group. they tried to do the same thing with black lives matter. even funnier that anti-anti-facists want to talk about the people protesting them as being anti-american.

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[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 45 points 3 days ago (10 children)

I 110% guarantee you the White House is not panicking. He and his little Nazi party of buffoons have zero fears of anyone or anything getting in their way.

They think they’re above the law. And one that is above the law has no fear because he has limitless power to do with as he pleases.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Dude what. Last presidency he got scared during the anti-abortion law protests of May 2019 and installed new fencing around the Whitehouse that are roughly twice as high.

https://apnews.com/united-states-government-f0dae0200dd945dcb868d98b1e8ff378

Then he had additional fencing and concrete barriers installed around the already huge fences during the BLM/George Floyd protests, and when one of those fences was partially pushed down (still leaving a 14 foot fence protecting the Whitehouse), he ran off and hid in a bunker.

Then he spent the next weeks telling everyone he's very brave and did not go to a bunker. While Whitehouse leakers confirmed he did.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/06/trump-is-literally-building-a-wall-around-the-white-house

He's repeatedly shown he's a scared little piss-baby, especially of protesters.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump's first term was so much wilder than people remember. It drives me nuts every day.

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[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A dictator is always afraid of the people the rule over. Law is not something they fear. It is lawlessness. Protests is the way to show them a glimpse of that.

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[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thewhite house panicked so hard the President of the united states posted a video of homself with a crown on shitting on the protesters. Think about that for two seconds.

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[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (8 children)

That should be the point of protests. Reminding them that the government should work for the people, and that they will be held accountable for what they did. Because if you don't, no one else will

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think both are kind of true. They have more power than perhaps any administration in history given how stacked the Supreme Court is and how subservient the entire GOP is to Trump and the billionaire apparatus.

That said, I DO sense a panic of how so many months have gone by and midterms are right around the corner. With Trump's approval-ratings plummeting to Jimmy Carter levels already and their lack of justifying consolidation of power while Democrats are energized — IF they don't succeed by next midterms, GOP are going to lose pretty big.

Prop 50 Yes in California is a must as well.

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[–] mintiefresh@piefed.ca 66 points 3 days ago

Keep fighting the good fight America.

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Some people couldn't because of work/school Some weren't notified so they didn't get to go this time even though they went to the last one (A Stoat server would help with pinging people about these) Some had to be home due to health/caretaking Some out of the country in military/protesting in other country

I'm fairly certain it would have been at least 32 million for this one if it was better setup to get everyone to walk in step together for this

Also the protests aren't what is most effective. What is is the connections made and getting things done afterwards to change things for better and solve problems

Nobody ever stop at 3.5% let's get it to 65-75%

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago

Good for you, America!

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The next national protest should proactively disappear all ICE agents.

Make ICE fear putting boots on the ground.

Make people fear joining ICE.

That's a real start.

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[–] Grumpyleb@lemmus.org 7 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Crowds make a difference when they are out in numbers on a daily basis, one massive protest every month or so won't make a bit of a difference.

[–] tree_frog_and_rain@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Protesting every day might be less effective without economic disruption going with it.

That's just the nature of the news cycle, we've had over one mass shooting a day this year and it's not as much news as 10 years ago when they were much less frequent.

If it's always happening, it isn't news.

All of that said, there's other ways to protest that don't need to be news. Like out front of ice buildings. When you see ice harassing folks, disrupting them, recording them etc.

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