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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 66 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

They're openly disdainful of all things Open Source and OSI, and their software is not Open Source.

They're a fully for-profit company using consumer rights kind of rhetoric to manipulate people in service to FUTO's own pocketbook. Don't fall for their use of the .org tld or promises to "never abuse customers".

I've written many times about what assholes FUTO is. I'm fully convinced they're way more part of the problem than part of the solution and they're not to be trusted.

They've soured me on Rossman. Back when he was doing coverage of things like the court cases around right to repair and tractors and stuff, I watched a few videos of his and thought he was awesome. And then he got involved with FUTO and started billing Grayjay as "Open Source" and I've gotten sufficiently disillusioned with FUTO that I haven't followed Rossman at all. I've got coworkers changing their avatars to Clippy and shit, and I believe their hearts are in the right place, but I can't in good conscience really get behind anything or anyone associated with FUTO.

Edit: Oh. I honesty didn't even see this OP was a link to an article. Lol. Now I'm very interested to go read that article.

Edit 2: Shite. I've now read the article. I knew FUTO was assholes in a lot of different ways, but now I know how deeply, completely irredeemable they really are.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 13 points 19 hours ago

Gross. Fuck FUTO.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Why does every mobile keyboard developer have some controversial shit? I just want to text in peace.

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Anything on HeliBoard too?

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only thing I dislike of heliboard is their swipe function requires Google binaries. Most FOSS keyboards either lack some feature I use or are immersed in wild controversies.

[–] uninvitedguest@piefed.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And the implementation is nowhere as good as gboard.

Futo's keyboard isn't much better for slide to type. I find myself switching keyboards back to gboard when I'm not using voice to text or two thumbs.

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[–] amearb@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Does FlorisBoard have controversial shit too?

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, but they are forever beta. They still lack a ton of features I use.

[–] sga@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago

fossify keyboard? extremely basic, but works

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[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 50 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Wolf also was spouting about how great Trump is and how "woke" shit is ruining society or whatever in January IIRC. I briefly trawled through their social media when I was investigating their keyboard, Grayjay, and Immich and promptly decided to never, ever give them money.

Note that their keyboard doesn't require network (at least as of now), so if you don't give them money or promote it to other people, they don't really benefit.

EDIT: Also, there are claims Rossman has a Kiwi Farms account and is at least somewhat active there. I haven't investigated those very thoroughly though.

[–] turtl@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interestingly, according to one of his recent-ish comments, he left FUTO in February.

[–] Static_Rocket@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

Yeah, not sure how much he's distancing himself from FUTO related things though. He brought up grayjay recently, but only specifically to talk about the devs comments on recent Texas app store legislation. Kind of a wash.

Given he is playing politician now, I don't think he's going to make a public statement about it. Not only would it hurt his influence but it would probably stall out any ongoing negotiations regarding right to repair. Shit sucks in general.

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[–] doeknius_gloek@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I've always had a weird feeling about FUTO, but I thought them giving money to open source projects can't be that bad. Now I hope they don't fuck up Immich.

[–] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 21 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Luckily thanks to their licensing model they basically cannot. Immich has according to github as of now 1606 contributors. Changing the license so that there could even be a proprietary fork would require basically the ok by every contributor (that made a relevant code contribution)

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[–] wax@feddit.nu 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

FUTO is also involved with Immich 🫤

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[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 4 minutes ago) (4 children)

EDIT: Apparently louis left futo some number of months ago, thank you to another user for letting me know in a reply below

This is informative, and unfortunate.

I will be honest, I don't really expect louis will wade into this issue at all, since he seems to be very uncomfortable with any of the "political" or partisan aspects of the issues he covers.

I can empathize with why one might be that way, but I hope I'm wrong, it would be rather disappointing.

Maybe it's time for me to open some feature requests on the helicopter repo for futo keyboard features I'd really miss if I left it behind... It'd be good for both projects to be feature rich and competitive anyway

[–] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

He's not uncomfortable with it - He hates the cognitive dissonance of being a capitalist and hating the results of it

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[–] dabe@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe Louis Rossman will see this and beat FUTO back into shape? Maybe? Please? I just want one good outcome here!!

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

FFS, so what's a keyboard that isn't shitty and invasive?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 12 hours ago

Heliboard seems decent, though I don't know anything about the developers.

[–] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 12 points 1 day ago

Oh god dammit man.

[–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

God fucking damnit. I just like the on device speech-to-text functionality. Anyone have any recs for another service that does the same thing.

[–] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago

I assume you'll be looking for awhile and once you find the right one, it'll get bought by other fascists

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 2 points 21 hours ago

I've used Whisper and Sayboard, and they're both good. Sayboard is faster, but Whisper can handle punctuation.

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

IIRC they all kind of suck. There's Transcribro or whatever, but I don't think it supports many languages (maybe only English?). I used to just use Google's and then revoked network access.

[–] uninvitedguest@piefed.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

I found that Gboard refuses to work when internet access is not available, even though I previously had offline only voice to text.

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

With the voice model already downloaded? That sucks, but honestly kind of expected with everything Google's been doing lately.

[–] uninvitedguest@piefed.ca 2 points 23 hours ago

Yep, it was my daily driver until one day voice to text stopped working. Restored internet access to it and lo-and-behold, voice to text is back. Tried redownooading the model, etc and had no success in getting it working with internet disabled.

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago

Great article.

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 5 points 22 hours ago

Fuch!!!!! Are they going to see my immich face detected photos to the government for the "final solution" march to the camps and the human powered ovens?

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