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A simple Microsoft 365 Roadmap update will now generate a raft of unhappy headlines. The idea is simple. “When users connect to their organization's Wi-Fi, Teams will automatically set their work location to reflect the building they are working in.”

Forget the locational anonymity of a Teams virtual background. Teams will update your location when connected to your company’s WiFi. On video, you may have your usual background complete with company logo. But your boss will know you’re not in work.

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[–] madjo@feddit.nl 4 points 19 hours ago

My boss knows I work from home. Get wrecked Teams

[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 6 points 22 hours ago

You not working?

AWS down

Oh ok, don't worry

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Teams is trash, electron is a miscarriage of an idea, and M$ is totally morally bankrupt.

Shocker.

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[–] hotdogcharmer@lemmy.zip 1 points 16 hours ago

Wait who was getting away with working from home when their boss thinks they're in the office anyway? Is that a thing in big companies??

My entire agency is like 10 people so we all work in the same room (it is hell, the marketing trio are the most annoying fuckers on earth) so they'd definitely know if I was WFH so this makes no difference to me.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So people will know in which company building you're in? Who gives a shit lol

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

The problem is they'll know when your not in a company building. So people can't WFH even though their boss isn't watching them at the office anyway.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

If you're outright refusing company rules like that then yeah you sorta run the risk of justifiable sacked lol

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's not refusing so much as taking advantage of a grey area. The work is still getting done.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 hours ago

It's not very grey if they've been told to get into the office and they aren't doing that

[–] pleasejustdie@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That sounds like an issue with the the arrangement between the employee and employer to me.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 19 hours ago

Yeah, but not everyone has the flexibility to just hop to a different job the second their current one becomes unsatisfactory. Some people have to make do with what they've got.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Teams is already such a bloated fucking mess of an application.

[–] devedeset@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've gone back and forth with my opinion on Teams, but now I agree with you. Earlier there was a lot of shit talk about it, and it just worked for me with no problems. After all of the additional bloat (now we have Copilot in it) it crashes all the time.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It never crashes for me - because I have to use the browser PWA app, because the native app doesn't work on Linux that great.

On the other hand, the UX is absolutely terrible.

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The native app for Linux is no longer supported anyway. PWA is the only official way now.

And yes the UX is terrible. Especially the search function, it always finds unrelated things and almost never what I'm looking for. Same thing with Outlook (the real outlook and the 'new' one), OneNote and Sharepoint.

It is my #1 and pretty much only usecase for copilot. I think copilot for office is not great but searching for my stuff it does do very well. Paying $30 a month to fix something that should have worked in the first place is a bit mad though.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

You might just not be noticing the crashes because it likes to restart silently. I'll only notice it because sometimes it happens when teams is active on my other monitor and it auddenly disappears. Might be auto update, or maybe even a "we know this app gets worse over time so let's just restart it regularly as a solution".

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah people hated it for being Microsoft for such a long time that by the time it actually sucked people had been crying wolf for so long it was hard to believe.

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

To me it has always sucked compared to something like Slack. It has really low information density for example with its huge bubbles around everything. Multi-tenant switching was a really slow and painful process unlike slack which simply has a sidebar for quick switching, and it creates a huge garbage dump in sharepoint when people upload stuff to a chat.

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I can't disagree about multi-tenant, I just used Firefox containers for that because it was only for working with vendors so it wasn't always on. I think they fixed that in 2022 give or take. The file thing is common with slack, there's still a garbage dump of files.

I think the information density is a matter of taste. Given the popularity of google products, macos, and gnome and that sort of thing, its safe to say there is a huge market for people who prefer giant whitespace to actual content.

[–] PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well. I’m remote. So they know I’m not at work.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

Don't be surprised when IT tries to move into your house thinking it is an office building

[–] wheres_frank@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 21 hours ago

What if you change your SSID to match your work's WiFi?

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

And somehow their implementation of e911 will still not work.

[–] varnia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't get it. Why would it matter that Teams knows where you are working? If you need to hide from your coworkers or your boss then maybe it's time to change company?

On the other hand: if Teams is using Wifi to correlate your position you could mess with it by exchanging the access point positions, ie exchange your bosses AP with the one in the cellar.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can see one legitimate application for this, specifically for accountability during an emergency. It's one more thing to tell whomever is checking where to look for people and only if it's actually reliable. I doubt that it would be reliable enough.

[–] varnia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

Yes, I wouldn't go so far and trust MS applications in emergency cases :D

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 60 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hold on. Let me say this.

If your boss cares more about where you are doing your work, than if your work is getting completed, you need a new boss.

I work in IT support and I'll say that this isn't really anything that couldn't be done before, is just more visible. Office 365 logs what device and app you're using to connect, the IP address of the requester, what you were requesting from which service... The list is long. It's a massive amount of data that largely, nobody cares about.

The only time I even look at that information is when some security software flags some action as suspicious, then, and only then, do I even bother.

If you go on vacation and suddenly connect from Florida when you are normally connecting from the UK, I get a notification. If you suddenly start using a well known VPN, I get a notification. The logic is for security. If you suddenly log in from a new place, then it's more likely that the login in question wasn't you, and you've been hijacked. That's literally my only interest in your location. Most bosses don't give a shit either.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If your boss cares more about where you are doing your work, than if your work is getting completed, you need a new boss.

Sure, in principle. Getting a new boss though... do you have any extra lobs laying around?

I work in IT

Aaaand here we go, of course you thought finding a new job was a viable alternative.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

I can't find a new job. I literally hate my current one. My entire management team is full of micromanaging dipshits.

I keep applying for jobs and nothing happens.

I'm not saying it would be easy to find a new job, just that if you're in that situation, you need one.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Microsoft's products are no longer usable.

Not safe, not sensible, not smart.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To be fair, Microsoft never had "Don't be evil" as their motto.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago

Bill Gates was an asshole from the start. Happy to use freely available stuff from the early computing community as well as using his school's resources to build either DOS or BASIC and then acting like he had built it all with his own resources when ranting about free software. To be clear, I don't gaf about using free resources to build something and make money from it, but his hypocrisy and anti-competitive BS makes that aspect worse with him.

So it was always shit, it was just that once upon a time, they actually had to make good software that ran on very limited hardware in addition to their anti-competitive BS, and then had a period where they kept trying to make good software but didn't realize yet that they didn't need to (like windows ME was pretty much universally panned, but it didn't drive people away from windows in general).

I think it was win 10 that I first felt like I was in conflict with my OS. Like in win 7, I'd spend time looking at each update's kdb entry to decide if I wanted it (and skipped the nagware ones about win 10 entirely, for example). In win 10, I had to jump through hoops just to be able to control when it applied updates on my own timeline, not MS'. Win 10 was the worst for resetting settings, like I get it set up like I prefer it to be, then a few updates later I'd have to do some of them again. Though tbf, I don't recall that happening in the last few years, but other worse enshitification has settled in since then and now windows never even touched my current main machine.

[–] waspentalive@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

The company your work for is Microsoft's biggest client - not you.. Not even you if you use Windows on your own home computer. Use Linux at home, use Linux at work if you can.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I am glad I work where nobody monitors teams because that would be stupid.

But exactly how will this work for the people who are actually using modern computing? So I am on Azure Virtual Desktop for one instance of teams, and another that I use for calls on a personal laptop, maybe on their wifi but always with a VPN because we habitually run vpns.

So where am I?

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 154 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Glad I work at a place that wouldn't give a fuck as long as I'm getting shit done. This sort of bullshit undermines how people feel about work and likely harms productivity more than it helps (as is tradition with micromanaging people instead of setting them up for success and giving them the space they need to do their job).

Also, people who actually are slacking will find so many ways around this anyhow that it won't actually matter to them because they already don't care and are probably smart enough to get around it.

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago (4 children)

In a lot of ways, I have the opposite of micromanagement, they really don't care what the hell I am doing as long as I'm delivering my projects effectively.

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[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

So... no change?

[–] BoloMKXXVIII@piefed.social 80 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Jokes on them! My company made everyone remote during COVID. It worked so well that they sold the corporate office buildings. We are all remote permanently! As long as I work my scheduled hours, they don't care where in the world I am.

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[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Lmao any corporate IT department can do this at any time anyways

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I think the takeaway from this article, and I may be wrong, is that Teams uses location to report where you're logging in from. This is something most corporate networks report anyway for safety.

This isn't a big deal for the vast majority of Work From Home employees. Most have home offices, and most will make their team or managers aware if they're logging in from a new location, or everyone is using a robust VPN to connect anyway so it hardly matters.

This is going to fuck over people who are exploiting WFH to say, work two jobs (Yes, it is more common than you think) or people who went on vacation with their family and didn't want to take PTO so they are trying to log in to join team meetings from the hotel lobby or something.

If your company is so draconian about your login location and you're hiding where you're working from, maybe consider changing habits or changing employer.

[–] alternategait@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This is going to fuck over people who are exploiting WFH to say, work two jobs

can you explain how this would catch people working two jobs esp if they are both WFH jobs?

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[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 77 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (14 children)

Are people just not going into the office without telling anyone? Like, who is this actually affecting?

Also, if they have to VPN into their company network, like assume many do, won't that register as being in the office anyway?

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[–] oh_@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Another feature no one asked for.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago

Oh, this was asked for, I assure you.

Not by workers, but it was asked for.

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[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Well i guess i am lucky because my laptop remains on site and i connect to vdi and then rdp to my laptop. (When working from home) so the data will be meaningless. At least in my case.

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[–] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I hope Teams announces when my CEO and other executives are not in the office. Just to level the field.

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