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[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.zip 87 points 4 days ago (29 children)

The democratic establishment has labeled him a communist one day, a Nazi the next day and an antifascist another day. You can’t be an antifascist and a Nazi at the same time.

I listened to the entire Pod Save interview with him, and I’m convinced he’s a solid dude who made some bad decisions when he was younger. He owns up to absolutely everything, and says he has learned from it. He sounded completely genuine to me.

His background is really important and honestly explains all of this controversy away. He was in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan for multiple tours, and he talks an about how much that fucked him up. He struggled for a long time and shitposting was one of his outlets. Who among us hasn’t regretted something we’ve posted? Owning up to and learning from it is the key.

If we want to stop electing vanilla spineless establishment candidates, the alternative is electing normal people who haven’t spent their lives hiding themselves from public view to maintain a “clean” persona. Nobody is perfect, everybody has made mistakes, and to me the strength of a candidate comes through most clearly when they take responsibility and demonstrate how their current self has evolved from their younger selves.

He seems like an awesome candidate to me.

[–] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (18 children)

100% this.

Leftist out here doing stupid purity tests, looking for some fairy tale candidate messiah. Gatekeeping anyone who isnt some perfect being. Because that's representative of the normal human experience......

The tattoo thing was ALWAYS overblown. Anyone who knows marines, especially young shithead marines, knew that tattoo thing was stupid. I believe that he and his fellow marines didn't know what it was when he got it. Because most people just learned what it was. So many people just now, this week, hearing the word "totenkopf" for the first time in their lives and feigning outrage.

I'll even give you that maybe he found out later, knew what it was, but didn't have it covered. And why?

Because it didn't matter. That's not what the tattoo meant to him, and its not what anyone around him thought it was. He had no pressing reason to cover it. Maybe it even served as a reminder of his shithead past.

It wasn't until he got into the public eye when a bunch of terminally online nitpickers lost their shit that it actually became an issue to him to fix.

And he did fix it IMMEDIATELY.

And I've yet to see anyone who smugly reacted to the initial story with "so he got it covered right? right?" eat their words. Instead they've doubled down and moved the goal posts to "well, he should have had it covered forever ago". Insufferable bullshit.

My brother in law, also a prior marine, had tattoos of clovers. Because he's Irish and thought they were cool. It wasn't until after his service that he learned that clovers are common with skinheads. And because he want a job in teaching, he got them covered.

This shit happens all the time. People making a stink about it are so far out of touch. They either need to touch grass, pull the stick out of their ass or the silver spoon out of their throat.

The privileged pearl clutching to instead defer support to another Biden/Pelosi/Schumer corpo dinosaur is pathetic.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 3 days ago

Dems are great at talking themselves out of EVERY candidate, leaving us nothing but MAGAs.

Could you imagine if a strong, intelligent person like Elizabeth Warren was president? America, and the world, would be a much better, far less chaotic, place in the universe.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Let's just hope he doesn't have a stroke before getting into office. 😒

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Y'all got to be careful with this. Because some people actually believe a stroke is what caused Fetterman to be what he is now. Instead of the actual truth which was he was always this and people just didn't bother to, you know, actually check on his background and his past statements. You can't fall for campaign rhetoric and think what they say when they're running for something is who they really are. I say this because frankly it seems extremely relevant on this topic. Who is this guy really?

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

For REAL, this Platner dude is going to get elected and turn out to be a literal social fascist and people will be shocked somehow. Do people forget that a candidate can just say whatever they want to get your vote?

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[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ugh so true. Fuck Fetterman.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

He seemed to have some cracks before he got elected that came out later on after his stroke fully dropped him into magat territory

[–] Nefara@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This right here. He's had to work for his principles which means he's more likely to stick by them. I believe he means well and wants to step up, not just get power and bribes or maintain the status quo. Nice to see how scared the billionaires are of him.

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[–] 50shadesofautism@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You got a link for the interview? I've only read a few articles but I am interested

[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

For sure, here's the whole thing.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He had that tattoo for years after it was clear he knew what it meant, you really are going to trust someone is a good candidate that not only did several tours in Iraq but was hired by fucking Blackwater to continue killing because he stated he enjoyed it? If this is the best candidate in the state we are so truly fucked, I refuse to believe there is no one better that could run.

Nobody is perfect but are you kidding me with this? You really are going to say this guy is awesome, who stated essentially "millions may die because our way of life is better", had no problem with being a for-profit war criminal less than ten years ago, because he claims he has good views on healthcare. I agree people change but that doesn't mean he should be trusted in a position of power.

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Have you ever heard of Smedley Butler?

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[–] Nefara@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago

His website has some good policy positions.

He wants election finance reform, believes in environmental protections, medicare for all, protecting small businesses and is anti-billionaire. Seems like the right kind of anti-establishment populist and it's refreshing to see someone so unapologetically progressive.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (17 children)

Discussion point: Graham Platner has some very questionable aspects to their backstory.

I say this as both an unabashed leftist, and a veteran. I was downloading MP3's of Democracy Now! and discussing Zinn with my section chief in 2003.

I propose the following material for review:

Don Lemon and Wajahat on the matter of Portner

Humanist report on Portner

TYT on Platner

Breaking points on Platner

I say this as someone who has met with Platner and as part of an organization I volunteer with, we endorsed Platner about 5 days before this came out. I've been on the endorsements committee, and we've never previously had to rescind an endorsement.

I'm interested in what you, Lemmy, have to say on this matter.

[–] FinnFooted@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Im pretty wary... i think hes probably got a bit of authoritarian streak and probably got this tat when he was young and dumb and in the military which leans right. I also think people change and he has changed. I think he's taken a hard left on the economy and class consciousness.

But is his authoritarian streak gone? His reddit comments show that at the time of posting he had little sympathy for sexual assault victims and was at the very least kinda weird about black people. Hes also very pro gun, which I dont find to be an inherent issue and I even agree the left needs to be more prepared and armed, but when lined up with other problematic views it stresses me out. And I dont realllly trust all of his hand waving around the tattoo and reddit comments.

But maybe should we embrance that hes a bit of a bulldog in an era when the left is so toothless? Also its almost impossible to do worse than Susan Collins lol.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think we have to be very careful who we vote for these days. All candidates and parties are leaning into dishonesty and misdirection even more than usual, as they can see it being so very successful in the recent past, and they will continue to use it and push the boundaries on how much and how blatant manipulations they can get away with. What they say and what they actually do are trending in very divergent directions.

On the other hand, when we start looking for non-establishment candidates who haven't been vetted and groomed for most of their professional lives, we need to understand that many of them, being actual humans, are going to have been wrong and stupid in the past, as we all are sometimes, and some of those things may be forgivable and some may not. In the age of social media, this is almost guaranteed to happen. The internet always remembers, and oppo research is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

One of the things I think we need to remember in this case is that some humans are still genuine creatures of thoughts and feelings and emotions that don't always immediately lead us to a good place, and that people can and should improve and change and grow throughout their lives as their experiences do. If I was going to be judged on the political ideology I supported when I was an idiotic 15 year old no one would ever take me seriously ever again. But that might be a mistake. Because I like to think that I've grown quite a bit since then. I've read Plato's Republic, understood most of it, and agreed with some of it. I consume a lot of information from a wide variety of sources, some of that information is not so good and sometimes it leads me astray. I'll take responsibility for those mistakes, and I'll genuinely try to do better. And I think other people should be given at least the opportunity to own their mistakes too. Instead of immediately dismissing somebody that said some bad shit once upon a time, go to the next step and ask them what they think about it now. Then ask them why they changed their mind, which is the much more important part I think.

Granted, some people are just predators and opportunists, and will say whatever they think their current audience wants to hear, including what you want to hear. Distinguishing these types of the people from the people who have genuinely changed is not easy and I don't have an easy answer for how to do it. I'm wrong most of the time when I try too. I don't pretend to be a good judge of character.

I'm preaching this point of view in the hopes that other people, who are perhaps better judges of character than I am, can find some way to identify the difference themselves. Because we desperately need to find a way to put some genuine people in leadership roles. Our current system of democracy clearly isn't doing it. For this moment in history, I think we need a philosopher-king.

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[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The four tours and Blackwater employment made him a Nazi before his tattoos did 😮‍💨

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Four tours, as a veteran, like.. I'm not excusing it, but some of the most anti-fascist people I know did multiple tours. I saw the writing on the wall and didn't re-enlist but everyone's situation and place that they are is different.

Of the people who have done several orders of magnitude more work to stop fascism, real, physical, on the ground work, all of them are military service members who saw active duty. One did two tours, and was at Falluja, and another had his humvee blown up from underneath him when command told his company to go drive a road they knew for a fact had IED's. One went on to be a DJ (actually he might do lighting idk), the other became a nurse and worked directly with Dr. Faucci at the CDC. Both were raised extremely conservative, and because they were given an opportunity to become a person they actually wanted to be, they changed.

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