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[–] Sidhean@piefed.social 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

This feels like an article for non-tech Linux users who hate Windows and want their bias confirmed.

Ok, that's what it felt like

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

To me, it felt like an obvious imitation of the myriad of articles that often have someone try Linux out, shortly, and then – often with obvious not understanding or just a surface level insight – proudly and definitively stating (or, at least, subtextually implying) that Linux was interesting but clearly not ready to be a Real™ operating system, etc.

But it seems most didn't read it as that, either.

[–] Sidhean@piefed.social 2 points 8 hours ago

Ah, maybe! I don't have much experience with those kinds of article. If so, it probably nailed the tone such that I fell for it lmao

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Here's my comments on it being a mostly normal user of Windows.

  1. Creating a local account was a pain - 100% true. I've done it. It's annoying and it's pain to remote into as well. There's a very small set of people who care about though.
  2. Google Passkeys will not work - I have it working. I don't remember it being too difficult and put the difficulty on my inability to execute it well. Saving passkeys are easy now.
  3. An email client that really frustrated me - what in the actual fuck. This doesn't belong here.
  4. Natural scrolling is so unnatural - I don't know what this is. It's either that I use it and it's natural, I don't use it because it wasn't turned on automatically, I used it and have change my norm to fit it
  5. Ads? Are you kidding me? - I've never noticed an ad. I don't use the start menu often, but it's not never. I also use Pro so they may not be there.
  6. Save As defaults to OneDrive? Why? - This is stupid that MS does this. I get why it works for them and I can even see the reasoning for having on by default for the average user, but ask first.
  7. Windows 11 uses so many resources - Yes.
  8. Virus and threat protection - another fail for MS. This should be a no brainer.
  9. Power and battery options - It does suck that it doesn't detect that it isn't a laptop. Pretty easy fix, but it would be better if it detected it

Three big problems if ads is becoming a thing. Three medium problems. One small, one you, and one what the fuck.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 9 hours ago

I agree that an email program is not Microsoft’s problem. However, there was a real issue there.

His point was that he knew how to easily use SSH to get around a badly behaved Linux GUI program that was monopolizing or disabling the UI. He did not know how to accomplish that on Windows.

As a Linux user, this scores points for me as it does highlight the flexibility, power, and control that Linux offers. It is also true that you have more power at the Linux command-line (even in a world with PowerShell) which is what SSH gives you access to.

That said, this article came across too much like “Windows does not work exactly like Linux and does not have all the things I love about Linux”. It also came across like a Linux expert being frustrated with a system he does not know as well.

We have had years of these kinds of articles slamming Linux when Windows people expect it to work exactly like Windows does. Those articles are dumb. We do not need to start filling the world with Linux versions of the same.

All of the stuff on this arrival is small time, first time run noise. Use it for a month and give an honest assessment of the pros and cons. What saved you time once the system was set up? What took longer? What entirely new capabilities got added to your workflow? What limitations were you just not able to overcome?

The two that I think are more systemic are OneDrive and Ads. Those are going to continue to drag on you long after the initial setup issues have faded into the background.

[–] entwine@programming.dev 96 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I installed Opera and used it exclusively.

Why do people use Opera? It's a proprietary Chrome fork owned by a Chinese company.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 9 hours ago

There is a good chance that this guy is a bit counter-cultural and does not want to use the obvious version of anything.

Look at the Windows mail client he tried to go with.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There was a lot of BS advertising not long ago about it being a web browser "for gamers", whatever that means.

[–] sga@piefed.social 2 points 13 hours ago

they still sponsors lots of youtubers and marketing now is on tab grouping (available on most browsers), theming (which is weaker than vivaldi, and maybe zen too) and ai (all browsers can open a web chat app). but they market to people who are using edge or chrome by default, and to them, it looks fancy.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago

Gamers are easy to market to.

[–] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Perhaps for old time's sake. It used to be using its own engine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presto_(browser_engine)

[–] unexpected@forum.guncadindex.com 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep. People have a bad habit of sticking to their habits beyond the point of usefulness. Myself included.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Chrome opera doesnt even resemble old opera. Vivadli is closer, and is led by the same guy that led old opera.

[–] jinwk00@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately still closed source

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[–] Iambus@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Would love to see someone who spent 30 years on Windows spend a week on Linux...oh boy..

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 3 points 9 hours ago

We have seen that a lot. It often ends with an article a lot like this.

That said, many, maybe even most Linux users started Windows users first. So, not everyone writes a snarky article and goes back.

I think a Windows user that is adventurous enough to try Linux is more likely to be pragmatic and open minded about it. They can push through basic issues like the ones raised in this article to get to the real experience underneath. Many of them like what they find enough to stick around.

But we get our fair share Linux sucks articles that are not better than this one.

[–] Lojcs@piefed.social 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (34 children)

#8 reawakened my nervousness about the lack of virus protection on Linux. With every milestone we celebrate it becomes more likely that malicious people target desktop Linux with their malware, and I don't think the "Linux is inherently secure" mentality helps. I hope clamav's on access scanner is fixed and improved so it becomes commonplace before there's some big newsworthy scandal.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 9 hours ago

There is virus protection for Linux if you really want it (both free and paid).

https://www.safetydetectives.com/best-antivirus/linux/

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago

Granular permissioned access for apps from trusted supply chains is better than attempting deny lists based on signatures (AV).

I still use it, but I put way more effort into SLSA, securing containers, flatpaks, and limiting their blow back. From there its keeping up with CVEs in ways that do not create more or break functionality.

I will say A LOT of the Linux software ecosystem is was more secure than Window's default.

[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

People were saying the exact same thing when I first started using Linux in 1999-ish

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[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Whoever put autoplaying video with sound on that website should be executed.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago

The click bait headline was a clue.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I'm sure there's a gazillion "I tried Linux for a week" articles, and I really like that they turned this one around.

But it has little substance.

He tells us how to add a user in Linux, but "with Windows 11, I pretty much had to sell my soul, do a backflip, promise to kneel at the foot of Microsoft, and learn to fly. OK, that's what it felt like." That's all. I'd have expected technical detail here. The other points aren't much better imho.

That said they're 100% correct on some points, and kinda correct on most others, e.g.: accidentally installing borderline malware through the Windows store is still Windows' fault, if indirectly.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, kinda disappointing how superficial this article is

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[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

"I ditched Linux for Windows 11 for one day - here's why its not a desktop for people who don't need the features of linux"

[–] danielton1@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (41 children)

"Why do people willingly use Windows?"

Because they are brainwashed into thinking it's the easiest platform, and that any problems they encounter are because that's just how computers are.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 128 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Sigh, please stop using that argument, it is an easy cop out, and you don't actually help your cause by analyzing the real issue.

The real reason why people willingly use Windows is multifaceted and can be boiled down to a few points.

  1. It is the defacto standard. If you are going to use a desktop/laptop computer you will probably use Windows, especially at work.
  2. Most users know Windows in some capacity, this means that companies have an easier time finding staff than if they used something else, it wouldn't be impossible but it would mean spending more time and money training the staff and causing them to be less productive for longer as they learn the system. This is slowly changing with the rise of web apps, chromebooks and Macs. But still, having IT support a fleet of Linux desktops/laptops when working in a non IT sector would be increadibly wasteful
  3. Software, like it or not, Windows has a huge amount of proprietary software dominance, organizations LOVE proprietary software and dislike FOSS for one reason. Liability. This means that they get a number to call, email to contact, a person to yell at, they can deflect complaints and seem like they are a strong decisive company by taking legal action against an external party, and not have the buck stop with themselves.

I am an IT technician, this is what I have seen in the corporate world.

By talking about "brainwashing" you remove most of the actual information that could help you figure out how Linux could be better suited for the masses, and to be frank, using a word like "brainwashing" makes the Linux community seem a bit unhinged/cultish.

Focus on facts, then you can use them to change the actual issue.

[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You missed reason 0:

  1. It is the default. Almost all computers today come with Windows. If someone clearly unknowledgeavle were to ask the salespeople in any PC store, they'd say some variation of "just use Windows".

Microsoft managed to make sure "a PC" almost exclusively means "A computer [with Windows]".

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[–] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

Most people have literally never heard of Linux.

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[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

The only real options for the average user are Mac or Windows. Linux just isn't as user friendly, and a lot of the customization and flexibility of Linux is actually a determinant for non technical people.

I'm a technical person and I can't stand Linux as a main driver. Love it for development and as a server, but it can be very janky for UI things.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

No, its mostly because 99% of people dont build their own computers and because 99% of prebuilts/laptops come with Windows preinstalled. Thats literally the only reason. If all devices came with Linux preinstalled, most people would be too lazy to switch and buy a windows license. This would change the market share of Linux which would immediately cause companies to prioritize making their software run on linux. Its really just corporate inertia.

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Me in an alternate timeline where Linux is proprietary and the defacto OS on the majority of computers:

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