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[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yep. This is substantial and concerning. Reminds me of the US after 9/11. Reality is, as much as Carney is working to diversify trade, we've only been deepening out integration with the US on continental security. Not good.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago

He is like one of those danish politicians who surrendered to the nazis.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 3 points 18 hours ago

What the actual fuck

[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

basically Carney took a look south and said "you know what? some of these ideas...they're not too bad"

Meanwhile PP is flipping his lid saying "fucker stole my ideas!"

[–] orioler25@lemmy.ca 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Almost like there's some sort of solidarity between the two that creates a common interest that supercedes any political rivalry.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Shit and shit-lite parties working hand in hand.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

What makes one of them "lite?"

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Clearly, Sunshine isn't as woke as you. Territory marked.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Bot-like comment. Nobody fucking cares dude go yell at clouds.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Bill C-12

Bill C-12 repackages Bill C-2 “leaving intact the measures to block refugee hearings, impose arbitrary retroactive one-year bars, and grant ministers mass immigration status-cancellation powers.” This would allow the government to cancel en masse people’s immigration applications and even cancel visas or permanent residence cards of people already in the country.

On top of this the Bill retains an enforcement-first approach to drug policy, ignoring decades of evidence showing that criminalization and prohibition are driving the current toxic unregulated drug crisis. “Bill C-12’s accelerated scheduling will trigger faster illegal drug market innovations, making Canada’s already-lethal unregulated drug supply even more volatile,” said Nick Boyce of the Canadian Drug Policy Coalition. “This legislation will make the toxic unregulated drug crisis worse while wasting resources that should go to the things we need, like housing, healthcare, and harm reduction.”

Bill C-2

One of the most egregious examples of authoritarian control in Bill C-2 is the ability of peace officers and public officers to make “information demands”. With this power, “persons who provide services to the public” (a ridiculously broad category that includes everyone from bakers to healthcare providers) can be ordered to provide officers with a wide array of information about the people to whom they provide services. Service providers could be required to comply in as little as 24 hours, and they could be prohibited from disclosing the existence of the information demands for as long as a year after the demand is made. If an officer makes an information demand, the service provider has only five days to apply in writing to a judge to revoke or vary that demand. Even then, the service provider can only make that application for review if, before the information must be provided, they gave notice to the officer who made the demand of their intention to make the application for review. These requirements provide service providers with precious little time to challenge these information demands, let alone to comply with them.

To make matters worse, the only requirements to make an information demand is that the officer has “reasonable grounds to suspect” that any offence has been or will be committed under any Act of Parliament, and that the information they demand will assist in the investigation of that offence. “Reasonable grounds to suspect” is an incredibly low burden to meet–much lower than “reasonable grounds to believe”. Officers can thus make information demands even where they have nothing beyond a mere suspicion that an offence might be committed.

Bill C-2 would also introduce the Supporting Authorized Access to Information Act, which allows the government to order electronic service providers to facilitate access to information for “authorized persons” (persons authorized under the Criminal Code or the Canadian Security Intelligence Service Act to access information). The Minister of Public Safety could order an electronic service provider to extract and organize information and provide access to such information to authorized persons; and to install and use any devices that may enable an authorized person to access information.The government could thus order electronic service providers to not only provide Canadians’ private information to police and security services, but to install “backdoor” devices that will provide continuing access to such information.

Although electronic service providers are not required to comply with orders if complying would require them to introduce a “systemic vulnerability”, the meaning of “systemic vulnerability” is undefined in the Act and left open to definition in a future regulation. The “systemic vulnerability” exception will thus not likely be an effective protection against invasions of privacy. As a further element of concern, an electronic service provider cannot disclose the information contained in an order, the information on which the Minister of Public Safety relied in making the order, or even the fact that they are subject to an order. If electronic service providers disclose any of that information, they may be required to pay a hefty fine.

Bill C-8

This piece of legislation would give the Minister powers to break encryption security and install backdoors into Canada’s networks for surveillance purposes. This means that the government could surveil all your online activities from banking to personal communications. Canadian privacy and intelligence watchdogs warned in testimony that, if passed, the bill would authorize warrantless seizure of sensitive private information; and collect and share communications, metadata, locational and financial data.

The new provisions in the Bill outlaws the display of certain symbols giving law enforcement and the government broad discretionary power on what those symbols would be. The new provisions would allow police to detain people first, ask questions later during protests and other gatherings, further undermining freedom of assembly and free expression— giving police more discretion overall. It would also include “bubble” laws prohibiting protest in proximity to certain places which are already protected under the law and allow the police to act on the basis of mischief, intimidation, harassment, or threats. Bill C-9’s intimidation and obstruction offences are overly broad, vague, and pose the risk of criminalizing peaceful protests.

According to the ICLMG, the proposed new offences would carry significant penalties, including the threat of jail time, and will result in people who would ordinarily take action to speak out on important social issues refraining from doing so under the fear of being trapped in the dragnet of additional, unclear and broad discretionary powers. If that is not the government’s intent, we urge it to withdraw this bill in favour of approaches that both protect vulnerable communities and ensure the protection of Charter rights and civil liberties in Canada.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Every Canadian should be aware of this.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

It's about control of the populace.

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca -2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

im a simple man, i see a greenpeace article, i downvote.

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You can just read the bills then.

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

naw i could care less. more eco-terrorist propaganda

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

You think our elected officials are eco-terrorists?

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

They didn't write the bills.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It’s time protest hard against this veiled authoritarianism!

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago

Veiled? This is as brazen as it gets.

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

XD you sound like the righties on facebook.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 6 hours ago

But is less likely to actually be doing anything in real life.

[–] jaselle@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Do you know of any protests that I could join?

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did they table the amended C-2?

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They have split the bill off into separate ones hoping we wont notice.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh I see. I read a bit more carefully and it seems that Greenpeace'es reporting might be outdated on the lawful access bits of C-2. Reading from Michael Geist it seems that they've been removed from the bill:

The government today reversed course on its ill-advised anti-privacy measures in Bill C-2, introducing a new border bill with the lawful access provisions (Parts 14 and 15) removed. The move is welcome given the widespread opposition to provisions that would have created the power to demand warrantless access to information from any provider of a service in Canada and increased the surveillance on Canadian networks.

But we have to be vigilant as Canadian governments have been trying to pass lawful access since Harper.

That's just lawful access though, nothing to do with the rest of the nastiness around immigration which is still there.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 2 points 20 hours ago

There is much confusion about such things. "Increased surveillance" is how many people understood the worst part of C-2, but it was much worse than just that. The stuff that remains (presumably; I haven't read the new bills) could also be described as increased surveillance but isn't the same thing as the completely over-the-top ill-considered lunge in the direction of "lawful access" that was in the original.

[–] RivverRavven@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Thanks for your post!