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In mid-2025, military sources in Vietnam began circulating unconfirmed rumors that new multi-billion-dollar contracts with Russia were imminent.

Documents from Rostec identify Vietnam under the discreet label “Customer 704.” According to the sources and those documents, one deal could be worth ~$8 billion and include up to 40 new fighter jets.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I wonder how Vietnamese feel about their government basically giving 8 billion USD (2% of GDP) to Russia for something they will might not even get and if they do it'll be inferrior tech to anything else. Su-35 has been a real failure in Ukraine war and widely considered to be objecftively worse than F-16V and Rafale fighters and China's J-16s which Vietnamese SU-35s would be likely engaging and training for.

I did a bit of research of what are Vietnams fighter options for new class fighters:

  • US F-16V - Vietnam already has deals for these and generally agreed that it's the best option for them aside from unstable US needing to diversify here
  • France's Rafale - Vietnam and France already signed large defence deals and it's a very good option here too.
  • China - no deal at all given that China is the most likely future combatant here for these weapons.

So this seems like a blatant, inexcusable payment to the ruzzies which is such a shame to see. I hope they never see the planes and if they do they fall apart immediately together with the current ruzzi empire.

[–] commander@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They likely don't mind. Historically Soviet Union and successor Russia for arms industry has been Vietnams primary arms supplier. It's not like France ever tried to make serious amends with any of their former colonies and the hundreds of thousands to millions killed in the process. It's just business with France as if nothing ever happened. Same with the US. The same thing is happening currently across Africa. Russia is a less opinionated arms supplier and don't have the baggage that France and the US have in the regions

War with China is unlikely anytime soon. Vietnams focus is primarily on its economy and building it's own defense industry for both domestic and export. So all they need is modern enough with preference for cost. Russian fighter jets are cheap. Sure they'd be better off with a J-10c or J-35 but Sukhoi jets are diplomacy too and affordable and capable enough for peacetime. Turkey and India buy S400's and India buys Sukhoi. With historic weapons purchased from Russia, integration and local parts and mechanics are probably more abundant.

They're also fairly non-aligned so they import from Russia, China, and the US and in regards to the US, after the Vietnam war they were under sanctions for decades with US arms being made available I think in the last decade. Vietnam

Vietnams primary trade partner is China and once you hit the 90s as Vietnam would be under major sanctions for much of that decade, China was Vietnams market to export to. And it took until the past decade for exports to the US to really pickup. Then Trump 2 happens and they were initially slapped with one of the highest tariff from the US in the world.

Vietnam buying arms from Russia is reflected in historical relations that have been dependable and what has seemed to me rapid improvements in relations with China, the US and Europe themselves dropped the ball with Vietnam. First France and the US by not recognizing Vietnamese independence leading Ho Chi Minh to ally with the communist. Then the decades of sanctions. Then the tariffs

So Vietnams relationship with China have improved a ton since Trump 1. Stuff that didn't happen before like Chinese military marching at independence parades in Vietnam with notable performance like learning the Vietnamese victory or maybe anthem (I don't know which) and singing it well. Increasingly war with China is becoming unlikely as Vietnam focuses on its economy and increases trade with China and military sales from China increases.

Rafales are very expensive and US weapons imports come with very stringent rules for usage and limits on what a country can purchase. Turkey and India buy S400, no F-35. Maybe you get limited on ammunition too after sanctions from the US. Also US jets are expensive too along with lifetime upkeep costs.

Plus the case of war with China, of China stopped building fighter jets for the next 10 years and France sent all the Rafales they could build in ten years to Vietnam, in war with China, those Rafales would be demolished. Same with F-16's, Eurofighters, Gripens, Su-35, probably Su-57, probably the future Su-75. Why spend so much money on aircraft in defense against China when China's surface to air missiles would demolish them before even needing to send out J-10c, J-16, J-20, J-35 fighters. F-16, Gripens, Rafale, Eurofighter - those are obsolete in a war with China especially when sharing a border. Really the jets are for posturing among other southeast asian countries

Re-emphasize that France and the US have not been friendly with Vietnam for all that long and far from enough to be well built trusting relationships

So ya, Russia are bastards for invading Ukraine. Doesn't make Su-35's a bad purchase for Vietnam. Russia has been delivering aircraft to Algeria and Iran and Vietnam is likely not under urgent need for fighters like Iran. Vietnam right now doesn't seem like war is anytime near. Better off with cheap Russian equipment and continue improving relations with China and someday maybe purchase J-35's. Maybe some frigates

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 18 hours ago

North Vietnam was 100% a Russian proxy in the Vietnam War, and they won, so despite any convenient economic alliance with America, they will always have a friendly relationship with Russia.

[–] Lembot_0005@lemy.lol 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds strange.

Is Russia even capable of providing 40 jets in current circumstances?

Oil payments? Russia will import 8 billion worth of oil from Vietnam?

Very-very strange. Bullshitty, I would say. But this world is strange and bullshitty, so who knows...

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You could read the article and yes that's the whole point that Vietnam will likely never receive the jets it's just a way to take take Vietnamese tax payer's money and use it to sponsor ruzis.

Vietnam owes Russia 8B for the deal -> instead of paying which would void sanctions, they join with ruzis to help them launder oil and gas -> ruzis launder 8B oil/gas profits through Vietnam -> Vietnam maybe gets the jets in several decades if ruzia doesn't collapse.

[–] whiwake@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is it just me or I’m a misunderstanding the word covert

[–] Lembot_0005@lemy.lol 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's like covfefe but more erty. Ast Trump for details.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No thanks. I prefer the truth.

[–] Lembot_0005@lemy.lol 2 points 1 day ago

Wow-wow, you're a picky one. Good luck finding the truth nowadays...

Wait, didn't an association between 'Nam and Russia cause a pretty huge problem for the US a generation or two ago?