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It was Gnoll Packlord that did this to me (ttrpg.network)

submitted 12 hours ago by TheGreatDarkness@ttrpg.network to c/rpgmemes@ttrpg.network

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4e Pack Lord: Whenever heroes kill one of its allies it can force one of them to hit themselves, it can move multiple allies forwards, grant them extra attacks

5e Pack Lord: Just regular Gnoll but can recharge one ally's Rampage.

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[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 16 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (4 children)

4e was much more combat-oriented. Everyone was OP compared to 5e. It was like playing a tabletop MMORPG.

People hated it, but I really enjoyed it. Not because it was a good version of D&D, but because “tabletop MMORPG” was appealing to me.

(I am not an expert. I played 4e for one campaign.)

[–] Bldck@beehaw.org 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I had a binder full of moves for my level 8 barbarian.

If you really enjoyed the nuance of spin in a circle with two one-handed weapons as a distinct Action from `swing one weapon really hard in a circle” it was a great system.

If you just want to play role playing game with some combat, it was a terrible system

[–] Ziggurat@jlai.lu 2 points 2 hours ago

Actually, it sounds like a great design choice, D&D has been way more focused on combat than regular rpg, and has never been the proper choice for roleplay, politics, horror, investigation story.

It seems that at least 4th edition was doing combat right

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 10 points 11 hours ago

The main thing that kept me from switching to 4e was that it looked to be even more tedious to play combat than 3e. It had so many things to keep track of for me, even though I liked the idea itself.

Came back for 5e mainly because it was slimmed down and attempted to make combat more streamlined and faster to play. I did start doing customized low level creatures by adding an extra thing here or there so they have a bit more variety than the baseline. Especially by giving humanoids common equipment!

[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 10 hours ago

Compared to 3.5 it was a breeze to teach to new players.

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

Also played 4e for like 3 months and enjoyed it. But it felt like a spinoff more than anything, and the game DID feel "game-ier". I wouldn't want my long-running campaigns in 4e.

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Pro tip: you can change them however you want
I attacked my party with a backhoe that had a bulette's statblock