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Source: https://t.me/pravdaGerashchenko_en/29009

Russian propagandist Solovyov:

"We will not stop at Kyiv, Warsaw, Paris. We will stop when we feel secure."

What is security for Russia? The destruction of NATO?

Russia has been living in "counteraction and struggle" with external "bad enemies" for a very long time. This is how the Russian government consolidates society and explains all the problems to it.

Therefore Solovyov is right - they will not stop.

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[–] Argongas@kbin.social 94 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Here's a wild thought, maybe the best security comes from being a good neighbor and cooperating with people around you.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Russians can't trust. They grow up in a culture where corruption is common and lies more prevalent than reality. The only way a Russian can ever trust a thing is to do it themselves. The only other option is to remove anyone else who can do it better and then claim the advance as a Russian victory.

Russia can't be trusted by anyone anymore. Russians will be out for themselves, as they always are.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Ireland here. Can confirm.

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[–] koolkiwi@lemmy.world 87 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean of course they won't stop at Kyiv. They can't reach it.

[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

still incredible to me that kyiv still stands in ukrainian hands, i was absolutely sure it was going to fall in three days. amazing.

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Oh that's one hell of a one-liner, I like it!

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

lol. Blyats can’t take Ukraine and NATO hasn’t done more than supply weapons and intelligence.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and not even the best boom-booms, either.

[–] FleetingTit@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

In your opinion what are the best boom-booms of NATO, short of nuclear devices?

[–] uphillbothways@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

AGM-158 JASSM's with CHAMP packages. Stealth cruise missiles with anti-electronics packages. Would bring down the bloodshed significantly while disabling enemy communications, launchers, radar installations, etc. These can be fired by F-16s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-electronics_High_Power_Microwave_Advanced_Missile_Project

The CHAMP is superior to other electronic warfare weapons because it destroys electronics, rather than jamming which temporarily affects systems that come back online when it stops being applied....
CHAMP is capable of up to 100 shots per sortie.

[–] ChrisLicht@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Known or suspected/hypothetical?

You gotta imagine the US has at least one or two publicly unknown weapon types socked away for a rainy day. At the outside, perhaps something crazy in the vein of Rods from God.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the u.s. does not export 'everything' (even when excluding nuclear devices) in its arsenal.

[–] ChrisLicht@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

You know that’s right.

[–] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

A single raptor would turn the whole russ*an air force into scrap metal. Like a quarter of the globes airspace would be enforced by that lmao

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Any fellow old folks remember the Iraqi Information Minister and related memes? Sounds like he's been giving this Russian guy lessons....

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/comical-ali-baghdad-bob

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Baghdad Blyat

[–] XYZinferno@lemmy.basedcount.com 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If the west needs any more encouragement to assist Ukraine, here it is.

The choice is help Ukraine now, or kick the can down the road and lament when Russia is at your borders.

[–] havocpants@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

The choice is help Ukraine now, or kick the can down the road and lament when Russia is at your borders.

That might seem scarier if they weren't nearly 2 years into their 3 day war against their smaller, poorer next-door neighbour.

Russia is a terrorist shithole state that needs to be dismantled. I wish my country was doing more than providing arms and training.

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[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because Russia is being invaded so often.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

It's Nazi Germany all over again. Once you declared "total war" there is no way to escalate further and also no way to back down again.

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Then just die of fright you absolutely cowards, if you think that defending hospitals, schools and civilian apartment buildings is a threat to Russia then just die. If you think a free and honest press is a threat to your government then just die because no sane person will look at your actions and let you continue unabated

Wish a bitch would try...we could finally end this war.

[–] joneskind@beehaw.org 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do Russians people truly believe they would stand a chance against the whole fucking NATO?

Propaganda is one thing, but that’s pure delusion.

[–] XYZinferno@lemmy.basedcount.com 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's why I imagine the Russian government has been trying to frame this as "self-defense" to its own people, when it's clearly the opposite.

They know that people will go to extreme lengths to fight when they believe they're fighting defensively, for their own people, sovereignty, safety, etc. To that end, it won't matter if they can realistically defeat NATO- they just want their own people to die trying.

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[–] LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

*Suicidal ideation

[–] _s10e@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is this a declaration of war? Against NATO??

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty much sounds like a declaration of war against Poland and France, and thus NATO to me.

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You have to have leverage to negotiate. Is losing 500k standing troops a leverage position?

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Only Russian aggression has made Russia insecure. Because now their borders are disputed.
Russia could have been perfectly secure, by just being a decent neighbor, and not invade other countries.

[–] B_Larson@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Maybe just concentrate on not losing the current war lol

[–] Tavonyms@mastodon.social 10 points 1 year ago

@LaFinlandia
Says the most insecure, paranoid country in the world.

[–] 018118055@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Россия delenda est

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[–] RedditReject@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

A new movie to watch, thank you!

[–] Historical_General@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

We must fight wokeness on the beaches, the waterfronts and elsewhere. We shall never surrender.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia becoming North Korea

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