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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was fine with memes over the past few years ... sure they are a quick dopamine hit that make you laugh or think

But now when my friends send me tiktok videos ... especially when someone has been watching these video streams for hours or days ... they start sending out the most random, inane, mindless content ... it's the kind of material that keep a monkey occupied.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

it's the kind of material that keep a monkey occupied.

I think that's kind of the point. There was an article a while back that said the CCP/Bytedance intentionally serve up braindead content to everywhere outside China, while promoting educational and uplifting content at home.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I have one 50 year old friend with very little tech know how and his kids set him up with a good smartphone. I saw his family about a year ago and his kids noted that their dad often sits up until about 2 or 3 in the morning at the kitchen table just scrolling through tiktok videos. He sent them to me about once a day until I had to block him and tell him directly to stop sending me this stuff. He's since become 'aware' of his addiction and stops sending out videos as often as he did before. He still scrolls through thousands and thousands of videos a day.

It would all be funny if it wasn't so frightening at the same time.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

No kidding. I just find it ironic that the generation that kept saying "TV will rot your brain" is now completely consumed by social media.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

that sounds way too bizarre to believe without seeing a source. and i know there's gonna be people replying saying it's not that bizarre, because China, but really....?

Absolutely reasonable thing to ask.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tristan-harris-social-media-political-polarization-60-minutes-2022-11-06/

Grep for "Companies like TikTok" to find the relevant portion.

The guy talking isn't exactly a scientist and this ain't a rigourous peer-reviewed study, but it does seem like he knows at least a little about what he's talking about. Take it with a grain of salt.

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

I want to see a sampling of this "educational and uplifting" content.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That’s such a gross misunderstanding of the separation between TikTok and China that it’s very possible purposeful misinformation.

China has no control whatsoever over TikTok, and in fact, there are US intelligence officers on the board for the American company. If anyone is “intentionally serving up braindead content…” it’s the US company, who is under strict control and observation by US intelligence agencies.

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Why are you lying? Every Chinese company is under the CCP's boot, as made evident by the one time Tencent tried to fight it

[–] Wistful@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Oh shit!

This post actually made me look for a solution and I found one!
Solution to opening tiktoks without using tiktok app or site, not how to stop ur friends sending u garbage.

It made me think... mpv player can play basically any link you throw at it (thanks to yt-dlp), and we also have mpv on Android, so why can't we do it there as well. And sure enough, I found this https://github.com/mpv-android/mpv-android/pull/58, someone baked yt-dlp in mpv for Android, making it possible to open link in mpv (share >> play in mpv)

It works for instagram and all other shit.

[–] toothpaste_sandwich@feddit.nl 1 points 2 years ago

So do we need to download something from your link to make that work? Or is it already part of MPV?

i shall retaliate with fediverse links

As always I like promoting open source frontends for these pages. For tiktok I use proxytok. For changing any tiktok link to one of these instances use the libredirect extension for firefox, it also works in mobile

[–] AnxiousDuck@feddit.it 1 points 2 years ago

Have you heard about our lords and saviors the alternative frontends?

[–] byroon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's both. So annoying when the first bit is muted and you can't replay.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 2 years ago

My wife created an Instagram account in my phone so she can send me videos.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Suddenly glad all of my friends are old people like me.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 2 years ago

old people like me

The person who sends me far more TikTok videos than anyone else is my boomer dad.

[–] ZOSTED@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I felt this way with instagram. My phone can barely handle the web app and you can't even replay the video without an account. Truly garbage UX

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Im pretty sure that meta purposefully makes the mobile websites for all their products as shit as possible to get people to use the real apps instead

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That's what literally all social media sites do. It is far more profitable for people to be using your app than your mobile website. Apps make it much easier to harvest data and corral the user into the exact experience you want them to have (ads, suggestions, etc).

I know not many people here are going back to Reddit but just for a second, open your mobile browser, disable the add-ons if it's firefox, and go look at Reddit currently. Within the last few weeks they have absolutely massacred it. Like, truly, it is astoundingly bad now. The original mobile redesign of the site was already terrible, but this new-new-mobile reddit is so painfully bad that the only conceivable reason for its existence is to get people to give up and use the app.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Man i really miss old reddit, what a shame. I hope lemmy continues to grow, none of my hobbies have active communities yet like they do on redddit

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Share -> Save Video

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What if there were a service to convert ticktock videos into Lemmy posts? Would that be a good thing?

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No, I don't want to see that brainwashing garbage. It's curated to wreck the brains and society of Western democracies.

Everyone should have heard about this by now, but China's version of TikTok is vastly different than ours. It is limited to mostly educational content and has built-in screen time limits. They know what is bad about our version of it, and it's on purpose.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not asking if any platform is better than Lemmy.

I'm asking if it would be good to facilitate the ability to post the user generated content from a terrible platform to Lemmy.

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[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You are well beyond reefer madness levels of fear and paranoia.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (7 children)

This was verified by a number of independent researchers. 60 Minutes even did a full segment on it.

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[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I fucking abhor TikTok. Anybody who installs that app is a danger to themselves and a traitor to mankind. Disgusting fucking thing, it pisses me off.

The thing about it that irks me the most is that it's not even for any valuable means. It's just a slightly different FaceBook or YouTube Shorts platform! You're selling us all out for fucking video clips?!

[–] misnina@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What is it about short vertical video that makes people froth insanely at the mouth? Don't "china" me on it, people whine over youtube shorts, instagram reels, they poopoo on snapchat, loathed twitter stories, and thought vine was a stupid idea. It feels like an ancient redditor thing, but I was in the 11 year club too and it's just a different type of format for media, media which can be used in many different ways, as always. Like how internet video generally is different to TV.

[–] reddithalation@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

it's addictive, and hard to pack helpful good information into a video that short, and so it just ends up being an infinite stream of completely pointless content. it cannot be good for young children to be swiping through endless shortform content all day, either.

honestly, i've mostly stopped using reddit, and it was kinda shocking switching to lemmy, where i can consume all of the content i am interested in that was posted today, and theres just, no more. it is certainly a healthier way of using social media though.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 0 points 2 years ago

The fact that it's vertical video is bad enough on its own.

The fact that it's short means you can't actually do anything meaningful with it. Can't meaningfully set up a scenario to tell a good joke. Can't explain the context behind the educational fact you're sharing. Can't develop characters in a story. It can never be anything more than basic spectacle.

But the worst bit is the fact that it's pure algorithm. YouTube at least shows you a screen of 10+ videos for you to choose from. Or you can go to your subscriptions page and see videos from people you've specifically said you want to watch. Or use search and find videos on a specific topic (though recently YouTube has made changes that make this significantly worse than it used to be). TikTok is "watch the video we want you to watch, or skip to the next video we want you to watch" on repeat. It's incredibly patronising, and far less valuable as a user.

[–] Atomdude@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I dunno man, my TikTok algorithm is about the wokest, most informative news feed amongst them all.
Sometimes they try something new, and I have to train the algorithm a little again, but nothing too annoying.

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do memes stop being memes when they're on tiktok?

[–] S_204@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Once they hit TikTok, they're purely Chinese spyware.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I just shared this with my wife, since she has started sharing TikTok lately.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Sorry to hear your marriage is on the rocks mate. Hopefully it's just a phase.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Tiktok sucks so hard, but then occasionally I find a minor nugget of wisdom or a piece of information so helpful that it makes me keep the app. Just the other day, some said he applies antiperspirant to his feet in order to keep them warm, because then they'll sweat less, and will get less cold in the socks. I didn't even really know that was a problem I was really having, but now, I will never have cold feet again. There's also always eelfeel, so I'm alright with it as a whole.

More broadly I do hate how kind of walled off the app is. I try to share videos on snapchat, oof, snapchat cuts it off so it's only the first five seconds of a video. Best to send the link, but then, if you don't have tiktok downloaded, it takes you either to the app store, or it hits you with the shitty web browser. Maybe fine for seeing a single tiktok, on mobile, but it's pretty bad on desktop since it's not formatted for it, and overall it, just is kind of ass to deal with, especially on repeat. Hate the modern internet.

Edit: Sorry, nvm, I guess I didn't understand that we were fearmongering about the evil chinese technology brainwashing our youths with their wiles in this comments section.

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Putting antiperspirant on your feet sounds deeply unnatural, chaotic and satanic. It's the kind of thing that will result in a sock-related early death.

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[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why don't they just actually send the video file?

[–] schnokobaer@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Those apps purposely don't make it trivial to download the files do they? You probably could but someone who swipes Tiktok all day can not.

[–] raginghummus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lots of tiktoks can be downloaded easily, but still, they can be large, why send those around when you can just send a link

For better user experience for the person receiving it.

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