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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 50 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've had this conversation:

We need to increase our velocity! Has the customer told us yet what they would like us to build?

[–] NewAgeOldPerson@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately I can't have that chat ever. I'm the one (in most of my career, not now) responsible for telling my folks what the customer wants, and not in a sales way.

[–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 34 points 2 years ago (5 children)

You can fix it later, but that doesn't mean you're going to.

[–] clb92@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago

Nothing's more permanent than a temporary solution.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Technical debt goes brrrrrrrrr

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They can't fire you if you're the only one who can fix your shit...

[–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh, they can, they will just force some other poor programmer to read your code and figure it out. A profoundly miserable process, but someone is willing to do it.

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

my heart goes out to the poor soul who tries to make sense of my code

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Later there will be other projects, other fires.

I’ve seen a “temporary fix” serve as a core element of a service stack for a company with annual revenue in the hundreds of millions for like at least 5 years.

[–] Narrrz@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago

mmmm spaghetti code

[–] Gork@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago

"Boss, most of the bricks we have are broken in pieces. We can't build the wall per specifications."

"We have a deadline, get it done however possible by the end of the day today."

[–] spacedancer@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

This applies to lift-and-shift migrations too. “We need to migrate this now, let’s fix it as a next phase”, then it never gets fixed; instead of taking the opportunity to fix stuff as you build on a clean slate.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You have a problem with agile methodology, you have a problem with me, and I suggest you let that one marinate.

[–] crowsby@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

there’s a special place in heaven for kanban lovers that’s what i always say

[–] fulcrummed@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

To be faiiiiiir, it’s is the easiests of the ways of workins.

[–] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] fulcrummed@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

To be faaaaaaaiiiiiiiiir 🎵

[–] crossal@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
[–] psud@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I loved agile as an analyst, we used to use waterfall and you'd hear about incorrect designs months later, or not at all, where in agile you can work out the details with the programmers and get both nearer the business requirements, and better designs

Also I absolutely love the job of scrum master which had no equivalent in waterfall

[–] Lysergid@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I love waterfall as an developer, I’m using agile now and we have incomplete, conflicting designs every sprint, or spills which affect our metrics, where in waterfall you can workout all the details and have full vision of product and better design with less reworks.

Not to mock you. My point is that methodology is not import when team consists from responsible professionals

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think a lot of it dependent on management. If you have a good product manager, software architect (or whatever) who can have things solidly designed before sending it to development, agile works great. But if the people writing the cards suck at their job, well then the project isn't going to go well.

But then bad management is going to suck no matter what methodology is used.

[–] psud@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

You're right on. We have some good expertise left over from our previous methodology which was both waterfall and siloed so bad feature documents don't cause too much problem, but once our expertise retires (and we're not makeing new experts as the silos were removed) the features will need to great to get decent products

And bad management is the biggest thing to make a job miserable

[–] psud@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I don't take it as mocking or anything, I know that some devs in my team preferred waterfall. I'm just saying there are aspects of agile I really enjoy

Waterfall makes higher quality software in many circumstances. It's optimised for quality.

Agile is optimised for speed explicitly at the expense of quality. Whatever methodology you can only pick two between development speed, cost, and quality

There are some instances in which waterfall is not only entirely appropriate, but also the best possible choice in terms of work organization.

There are some instances in which agile is the best fit. Likewise kanban.

Different domains have different optimal workflows.

[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

My conversation with the moronic MBAs that lead my org today. Who cares about doing impactful work when we can just do useless busy work that makes the nontechnical morons happy.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago

"We're just using old, time tested frameworks. They worked fine in the past, they'll still work today for sure!"

[–] ConfirmingMoose@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago
[–] subway@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

About the pic itself, laying bricks like that can't be structurally sound... am I right?

[–] howdy@thesimplecorner.org 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

No conflict is for the weak.

[–] gkd@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago
[–] kreonn@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

That's actually a nice CSS.

[–] beigegull@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is there some reason that wall won't work fine?

[–] b14700@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

should work fine if there is no load on it , this seems deliberate for the look

[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago

Ah the well known technical debt

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

The trick is to get some else to shit the 🧱 when it hits the fan.

[–] hubobes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

with lease?