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Unfortunately what seems to be the cached version of lemmy.fmhy.ml is now slowly disappearing from Cloudflare. Those 2 comments have now been lost as well along with most of the content.

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[–] idkman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 years ago (3 children)

What Is Dead May Never Die

[–] cakeistheanswer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it's kinda like looking at some weird bizarro version of yourself finding your old handle.

If it's also a zombie I'm more creeped out.

[–] idkman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

George can have it back when he finishes winds of winter.

(and I recind this if the postumous publishing conspiracy is real, ain't wishing for no man's death)

[–] JasDawg@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.

[–] cafecorse@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

What is dead may never die

[–] late_night@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago
[–] Skimmer@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hopefully it comes back, it was my personal favorite instance out of the options available and the one I mainly used.

[–] Sho@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

Same here, I really miss it. I'm patiently waiting for its return too.

[–] LostCause@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Wait, did it die completely? I knew they lost the domain, but did they not change to anywhere else?

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Seems like they're working on it: https://very.bignutty.xyz/@FMHY

(If you can't open the website, try disabling your adblocker. very.bignutty.xyz might be blocked by some adblockers)

very.bignutty.xyz is being blocked by AdGuard DNS filter, AdGuard Base filter and EasyList

[–] LostCause@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

I do use AdGuard on my phone, but it worked for me. Good to know they‘ll be back ty.

[–] some_guy@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

any chance you have an invite?

[–] taskylizard@discuss.online 1 points 2 years ago

Sorry, it's my personal instance so I only allow invites to people I know, you can signup on firefish.social or any other mastodon instance!

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago

I am not on that instance either.

[–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

From what I can gather losing the domain means losing the instance. Obviously that sucks but if I was designing Lemmy I wouldn't think of "what if the Malian government suddenly decides not?".

The reason they haven't yet come back to another instance is they're trying to work out how to migrate and keep the instance while not breaking anything.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This is more like activitypub problem. You can't really change domain in activitypub. Even in mastodon, you can only add another alias domain. Losing your original domain is catastrophic. I'm actually interested whether the activitypub devs are finally going to address this. I'm also interested to see what kind of hack FMHY use in order to save their instance.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not a (permanent) solution, just a very (very, very,...) stupid idea, that I am not even sure would work.
What happened? They don't own the domains anymore, the DNS records were removed so those domains don't resolve to anything. But maybe they could be locally resolved by each instance. I added these entries to my /etc/hosts file when the DNS records were deleted:

104.21.81.71        lemmy.fmhy.ml
#172.67.140.145      lemmy.fmhy.ml
#188.114.97.3        www.fmhy.ml
188.114.96.3        www.fmhy.ml

This allowed me access to FMHY (while it was still up).

Even if this worked, why would it be stupid? Well it would have to be manually set by each instance. And those IP addresses may change from time to time, so it would have to be manually updated again, by every instance.

A thanks for the IP addresses to dnshistory.org (fmhy.ml) and whoever wrote this comment: https://lemmy.fmhy.ml/comment/1231585 (lemmy.fmhy.ml)

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This doesn't solve the main problem thought, in which the instance can no longer federate with other instance via activitypub. You can't expect other instances to manually override their DNS in order to federate with fmhy again. Also, https will break as soon as their current certificate expires, at which point no instances can federate with fmhy even with dns override.

Hopefully this issue will force activitypub developers to rethink their approach with domain handling.

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

They might have to implement a "domain change" thing like username change. It might be huge work

[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

It’s not lemmy as a whole is it? I thought the main url is lemmy.org. It’s only a couple of instances that used .ml.

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's join-lemmy.org, but that's just a list of instances.

There's no "main URL" to a decentralized space. There's only the URLs of participating websites.

[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thank you. It’s been over a month and still haven’t quite got my head round the fediverse!

[–] hstde@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can think of it like group chats. Each and every chat is an instance. And to be federated just means that two chats have agreed, that there is one person who copies the text from one chat to the other. In principle this, but much more organized with communities (sub groups) and subscriptions and the like.

Now in reality this is much more complicated, because people want to be identifiable across instances, which is why you can't have just one person in the chat posting Just the text, they need to mention who it was that texted that.

Losing the domain was like the person who was in both chats disappearing and you can't register with their name, but someone else doing what they did, would mean that everyone would need to update their filters, because "I said the first time, that I don't care about your weekend, Carl!"

So they try to solve that.

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Some bridged chats in telegram might be better example. They use bots to bridge messages between discord, matrix, telegram etc.(eg. t.me/STKInternational (supertuxkart game community lol))

[–] hstde@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

I might be too old for this, but good to know.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago

lemmy.org is for sale for 6,666.00EUR

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 years ago

It’s just instances using the country TLD of Mali .ml and afaik only one instance lost their .ml domain?

[–] GiantBasil@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

RIP in peace FMHY instance

[–] Aram1s@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's always best to to say in peace twice to express how important it is.

[–] ChillDiamondGuy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

How profound

[–] moreeni@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What does this have to do with Piracy?

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 2 years ago

FMHY was piracy-oriented instance, so I thought maybe it would fit here. And maybe I thought wrong.

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