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Could be a huge deal.

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[–] housepanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com 12 points 2 years ago (8 children)

This angers me because 345 million would help a lot of people here in #Amurica that need the help - living on the street, starving, no healthcare .... need I say more? I am not necessarily an Amurica first kind of guy but we need to do more than something to help those suffering in many parts of our own country.

[–] itscherriedbro@lemm.ee 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Unless I'm mistaken, we don't send them literal money. We send old military equipment, gear, vehicles, etc

[–] TheOakTree@beehaw.org 15 points 2 years ago

It's just a byproduct of the massive military industrial spending... so while it's not money that we're sending, it's stuff that we unneccessarily spent lots of money on.

[–] housepanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In this case you may be right. I don't really know. Maybe it is 345 million in obsolete military hardware. 🤷

[–] RandomStickman@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are expiring stuff as well, missiles and the like. Rather than a costly safe disposal they get to do what they're designed for.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Sit around and wait to be used by other countries, in a progression of trades and transfers, until someone actually tries to fire it and figures out that one of the previous holders of the missile sold a few important bits on the sly?

[–] gaytswiftfan@beehaw.org 20 points 2 years ago

I mean you can do both

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We can either gift an ally who is opposing invasion risk, or we can let the gear expire and rust. Generally the money is already spent, it's finally going to a good home

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 17 points 2 years ago

Take a look at what recently happened to Hong Kong. Take a good, long, hard look.

Now realize that we are pretty much the only thing preventing the same thing from happening to Taiwan.

Other people have needs too, not just you and me.

[–] noodle@feddit.uk 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is a bit of a cynical take. $345m is not that much to the US government. It's not going to deprive anyone in the US. Plus, what are homeless people going to do with military equipment?

If it was $345bn I'd agree but this is barely even going to register on the accounting spreadsheet.

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . > This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

  • US President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
[–] noodle@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay, this is a nice sentiment but the money is long gone. It was spent when the equipment was made. It will either be scrapped or left to rust in a hangar.

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 1 points 2 years ago

“Let us beat swords into ploughshares.”

[–] influence1123@psychedelia.ink 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I definitely agree with that. But at the same time this is almost as good a cause as any for all our bloated military budget to go to. Besides Ukraine.

[–] pizzaiolo@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

America prioritizes war over everything else

[–] hibby@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure this is an obvious deterrent move so that China invading Taiwan doesn't collapse the world economy and not a push for war. An invasion of Taiwan would be one of the worst things to happen to the American economy, so as much as "America wants war" gets posted, I just don't see it here. Only TSMC has the tech or the capacity to manufacture the chips they make. That is the priority with this move.

[–] pizzaiolo@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I worry that escalating tensions will make conflict more likely, not less

[–] hibby@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Helping a strategic trade ally and making it clear that they have the backing of the US in more than just words seems to me like something that would make invading Taiwan even more risky than an amphibious invasion would already be. It's not like Taiwan (or the US) is going to invade the mainland, so I can see why this is, and has been, the foreign policy of the US. The US aircraft carrier group that's patroling the area and the commitment to defend Taiwan in the TRA are already a thing. This is just following through on commitments already announced. I don't see a way that this transfer of weapons could be used as a pretense for an attack where the international response wouldn't be extremely negative towards mainline China. I don't agree with a lot of the foreign policy of the US, but I can see how they justify it with their own interests.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Don't they teach you shills how to spell America?

I choose to spell the country I live in as America.

[–] Kes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago

Awesome. We get to save money on storing and disposing of old, surplus equipment, and Taiwan gets weapons that will prove vital should war break out. In the event of a war between Taiwan and China, US intervention is not guaranteed, and it will be significantly more difficult to send arms to Taiwan compared to how we've been sending arms to Ukraine, so ensuring that Taiwan has the means to defend themselves ahead of time is vital if the US wants to make sure Taiwan survives. The amount is basically nothing compared to the US military's annual budget or the aid we've given to other countries, but hopefully this opens the door for further investment into Taiwan's military

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