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Essentially the apps have same package name but different signatures and the app store that installed it should be the only one to recognize and update it.

But Google is likely trying this dark pattern to sway people away from F-Droid or alt stores by making users uninstall these apps and install it from the Google Play Store.

It's been going on for a while and is annoying af.

https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/253727/why-is-googles-play-store-suddenly-trying-to-update-apps-installed-via-f-droid

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[–] Stez827@sh.itjust.works 105 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's just cause it has the same package name and only checks the signature on attempt to install not cause Google has some alterior motive

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] spearz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TxzK@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] foggy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Vigilante@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago
[–] RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

interior crocodile alligator i drive a chevrolet movie theater

[–] meekah@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interior crocodile alligator, I drive a Chevrolet movie theater

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[–] Stez827@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Thx lol my grammar is ass even though it's the only language I speak haha

[–] GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And, F-Droid shows apps that were installed from the Play Store.

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 7 points 1 year ago

Because they both use the same package names...

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's relatively new behaviour so they introduced it recently. And they need to fix it, but ignore it entirely...

[–] mundane@feddit.nu 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Mismatched signatures have been discouraged since day one of Android. A mismatched signature is a sign that some one other than the original publisher built this package, and the user needs to be aware that it might be malicious.

That F-Droid went with this setup with mismatched signatures was always going to make their apks look suspicious.

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[–] Norgur@fedia.io 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Even if it's new behavior, there is really no reason to assume that this was done to evoke some dark pattern or other. It just shows that Google will not think about 3rd party stores when they do anything with their services and that is hardly news, is it? Besides: I kinda get it honestly. If they'd take all the stuff out there for android into account before they did anything, nothing would be done at all.

So the question becomes less why that's there, but more what stores like Samsung do to prevent this issue and if F-Droid can adapt the same behavior.

Samsung just says:

Can't auto update Installed from Google play store. And Can't auto update Installed from Aurora store.

You can easily see from what store an app has been installed in android.

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[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The ps has done this for many years, unfortunately

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've only been seeing it in the past few months, definitely less than one year. Before that this never happened even when I had affected apps installed. Notably the Wikipedia app.

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[–] IDew@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Since I found out about F-Droid and Aurora Store, I'm actively dodging the Play Store. No one will ever make me use it. Ads, promos, junk everywhere! And their shitty way of updating.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Avero@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

either download the official APK from f-droid.org or use the NeoStore app which is a better client imho. from there its some simple setup and basically works like the play store.

[–] uhmbah@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] IDew@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Droid-ify is my personal favorite client. You can opt in to many other repos like IzzyOnDroid (pic below) It's also material design, which I like aha.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Has Aurora been improved since last year?

I tried to love it, but it was such a pita to actually update things. Like, it hardly actually updated without errors or issues. When it did "update" an app, I wouldn't be able to actually open it. After it broke some important apps I was using, I uninstalled it.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's because they are using like 10 disposable Google accounts shared between all the users in the world, so access is throttled

[–] IDew@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Aurora has been fine for me so far.

My experience might be better as I logged into the account of someone else to access some paid apps. Haven't had much trouble with the disposable accounts either, may also because I haven't used it that often.

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[–] mundane@feddit.nu 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is an f-droid problem. If they use the same package name, they need to use the same signature. That has been the case since long before f-droid existed.

They could just build apks with alternate package names and this wouldn't be an issue.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's no problem, since you don't want 2 stores to update the same app.

[–] mundane@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a problem of trust. Differing signature is an indication of third party tampering. People shouldn't start to see difference in signatures as an ordinary occurrence. It should be an high alert event.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope.
Often versions on Play Store are slightly different (telemetry). Sometimes they even have different versioning.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 year ago

Then, using a different package name should be a good solution, wouldn't it?

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[–] Norgur@fedia.io 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Actually, I had it just the other way around. I had an app that had an old, orphaned version on F-Droid and a newer one on Play Store, so I installed the one from the Play store, but F-Droid desperately tried to update it constantly, always failing, always spamming me with messages about it

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would anyone who actively chose to install F-droid, reinstall their apps as Play Store apps?

[–] 13@kbin.run 2 points 1 year ago

Fedilab and Thumb-key are not free on Google Play, I would reinstall them there if it was possible

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Jokes on them, I don't want them updating anything without my direct approval, and I don't insist on the most recent version of anything non critical. Idgaf about their bullshit

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't care that it can't update these apps, since I use Obtainium. But, FFS, at least let users have an option to ignore or hide those apps.

I use F-Droid and i don't care that it can't update theese apps over google play. I can still use fdroid to update

[–] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Yes exactly.

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Yes because they are signed with different keys

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The same happens in reverse. It's the natural result of not naming the packages differently as a dev.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I have this happening on Sync for Lemmy. Every time I open it if there's an update available, with no way to tell Play to fuck off.

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