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Employees say they weren’t adequately warned about the brutality of some of the text and images they would be tasked with reviewing, and were offered no or inadequate psychological support. Workers were paid between $1.46 and $3.74 an hour, according to a Sama spokesperson.

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[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 129 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Cool. Using slave labor to train tools to strip the best parts of humanity away from us so that AI can do creative activities like poetry and art while we're more and more stuck in a gig economy.

Cool cool cool cool.

[–] QHC@kbin.social 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

so that AI can do creative activities

Let me stop you right there. The current concept of "AI"--otherwise known as Large Language Models because that is really what people are referring to--is not capable of creativity. ChatGPT and things like it just regurgitate stuff they find. They can't create something new and original

[–] sunflower_scribe@beehaw.org 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It creates things. Whether it is truly “creative” in the sense that humans are “creative”, doesn’t really matter. Now, you might respond by saying that it only regurgitates, but I would argue that many if not all human creative outputs are, at least to some degree, “regurgitations” in the same sense. I am not disregarding art, just saying that art is always derivative to some degree.

[–] tombuben@beehaw.org 20 points 2 years ago (7 children)

It doesn't really matter though. It will take away jobs from people in creative industries that only creative people were able to do before. The end result is basically the same.

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[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago

I know it's not. That's why it's so sad that people are offloading creative work to it

[–] Thevenin@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It is true that LLMs and DPMs do not create, they interpolate -- that's why training data and curation of that data is so critical to begin with. Nevertheless, it is correct to say they are being used for "creative activities" as cheap and (in my opinion) unsustainable substitutes for human minds.

[–] TheBurlapBandit@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago

AI is about at creative as Adobe Photoshop is, or a pencil for that matter. A human operating it (no, not txt2img prompting) is where the creativity comes from.

[–] ReCursing@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

tools to strip the best parts of humanity away from us so that AI can do creative activities like poetry and art

Yeah that's a bullshit take on AI

[–] davehtaylor@beehaw.org 27 points 2 years ago (4 children)

But that's exactly what's happening. Bloodsucking capitalists have decided that AI is a cheaper option than paying people a living wage, so creatives are losing their jobs.

Instead of actually learning how to create art, shitbag grifters claim theyre "taking the power back from creatives" and doing nothing but stealing from actual creatives to make some sort of soulless synthesis, leaving actual creatives high and dry. For just one example, look at how many publishing outlets have stopped taking submissions because of the overwhelming flood of AI spam.

All the while people are out here trying to make ends meet and are being forced into shitty, low paid jobs or gig work

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[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
[–] ReCursing@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There's nothing to elaborate on. It's a stupid position put about by luddites and perpetuated by people with no understanding of the subject. It's so not on target it's not even wrong!

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 12 points 2 years ago (15 children)

I'm a DevOps engineer. I work with big technology every day. I am very definitively not a Luddite. But the way the capitalists controlling our economy view and want to use AI is harmful to us, the lower and middle classes. I'm not sure which part of my view is so stupid that it enters into psuedoscience, leading me to not even being wrong

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[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

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[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 49 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Starvation wages are slavery. And yes. Our techocolonial society engages at it at many levels. No. We should not be okay with it. We should do what we can do disengage from businesses that engage in it, and we should be self forgiving of ourselves when we can't. We should always be advocating for the workers, even if sometimes that means who we're advocating for is us

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[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cheap labour isn’t the same as slavery... it’s still just a job employees can leave...

You're gonna get a lot of flak for that take, even though I agree with most of the rest of your post. Let's reframe the problem: you're currently paid a low wage. It's barely enough to pay for food, rent, and getting to and from your job.

You want to leave that job for one you know pays better, but it's farther away. Even if you get the job and have the better income, you would be spending the net gains on the extra costs of commuting: it ends up being a wash.

You would move closer, but because your current wage doesn't allow you to save money, you can't afford the costs of moving, let alone a down payment on a house or a deposit on an apartment.

You would get better educated so you qualify for better paying jobs, but again, you have no savings from your current job to pay for schooling, and you have no/bad credit to afford a student loan.

All the problems arrayed against you require money to solve, and because you're "cheap labor" you're never able to gather enough money to solve them. You're forcibly stuck with your current job. They pay you, yes, but you can't leave. You're "free" to leave, but that's just saying you're free to lose your home and starve. Now none of these problems are unique to Kenya, I could be describing any country with poor Economic Mobility, I could be describing any job or industry. Globalization was important for many reasons, but it has allowed companies to identify the parts of the world where labor is cheapest and pay them... exactly what they're "worth."

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

spoilersdfsaf

[–] 0x815@feddit.de 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Whether or not we call it slavery, it is for sure a gross exploitation of labour. The article reminds us that we in the so-called 'western world' can only afford their luxury life because there's someone elsewhere who pays the price.

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[–] TwilightVulpine@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They can leave the job but they will still carry the psychological scars from it. They were not receiving adequate mental health support for the severity of the content they had to deal with.

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[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

Only rich people can afford new clothes every month, and if you think computer makers are passing on the savings of their exploitative practices to their customers, I've got a bridge to sell you.

[–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The average cost of living is somewhere around $650 for one person, and those wages are a bit low but the higher end is above average for the country.

(I don't know how accurate this data is, but based on https://livingcost.org/cost/kenya/United-States)

I'm not saying they shouldn't be paid better or more, but those wages aren't as outlandish as they sound for the country.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago

And here I must be crazy thinking if it is US company paying them, maybe they deserve the equivalent of US employees, no matter what the fucking local pay is.

That "local pay" bullshit is just an excuse to exploit. Pay them what you would have to pay a US citizen for the same job or fuck right off. They don't deserve less because of geographic location.

[–] CaptainAniki@lemmy.flight-crew.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Local pay for an international company is theft

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[–] AJYoung@beehaw.org 64 points 2 years ago (2 children)

To be honest, this isn't an AI problem, but a content moderation and labor force ethics problem. You can swap out AI with social media and you'll find the same amount of psychological harm to moderators.

[–] ArcticCircleSystem@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is there anything that can be done to make content moderation less traumatizing? ~Strawberry

[–] AJYoung@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Good question! It's probably the most psychologically damaging job out there.

Ironically, maybe with AI? But that would mean we would have to train a model to recognize the worst images and videos possible...which means gathering all of that data...which means whomever trains that model will be scarred...actually, maybe not a good idea...

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The 51 moderators in Nairobi working on Sama’s OpenAI account were tasked with reviewing texts, and some images, many depicting graphic scenes of violence, self-harm, murder, rape, necrophilia, child abuse, bestiality and incest, the petitioners say.

“We are in agreement with those who call for fair and just employment, as it aligns with our mission – that providing meaningful, dignified, living wage work is the best way to permanently lift people out of poverty – and believe that we would already be compliant with any legislation or requirements that may be enacted in this space,” the Sama spokesperson said.

In sample passages read by the Guardian, text that appeared to have been lifted from chat forums, include descriptions of suicide attempts, mass-shooting fantasies and racial slurs.

The announcement coincided with an investigation by Time, detailing how nearly 200 young Africans in Sama’s Nairobi datacenter had been confronted with videos of murders, rapes, suicides and child sexual abuse as part of their work, earning as little as $1.50 an hour while doing so.

She wants to see an investigation into the pay, mental health support and working conditions of all content moderation and data labeling offices in Kenya, plus greater protections for what she considers to be an “essential workforce”.


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[–] prd@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago

A bot giving a summary of an article about people doing the work to train AI bots is some real snake-eating-its-own-tail shit.

[–] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 17 points 2 years ago

Imagine seeing furries in action for the first time.

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