popular elections in an ecosystem 1/4 bots, in which the admins hold ultimate unilateral authority.
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Spez is such a nice guy, protecting the innocent users from the greedy elites who control the site. /s
1/4 bots, 1/4 advertising, 1/4 Onlyfans "entrepreneurs" and 1/4 users. What could possibly go wrong?
1/4 bots, 1/4 paid advertising, 1/4 Onlyfans "entrepreneurs" and 1/4 users. What could go wrong?
He plans to make moderators popularly elected to more easily vote them out.
I totally second this idea. The last time we tried to get the internet to seriously decide on something we got Boaty McBoatface.
Hopes the next frontier will be subreddits as businesses.
Even better. All posts in these subs can be advertisements, perfect.
He does not want Reddit employees to take on the work. Moderator hours were valued at 3.2 million last year, 3% of reddit’s revenue.
Yeah, don't even spend 3% of revenues as a cost of doing business. The soon-to-be-community-elected mods will do it for free. Super.
The last time we tried to get the internet to seriously decide on something we got Boaty McBoatface.
And lo, the Internet looked down upon it's handiwork, and verily, t'was awesome.
All posts in these (business) subs can be advertisements, perfect.
And nobody will ever go there. And, two years down the track, u/spaz will hoik up the pricing or cut them off entirely because they're making money off of a non-profitable Reddit. "We want to work with the business subs but they're not interested in talking to us and have all thrown their toys out of the pram and shut down".
come work for free
No thanks
builds an entire self-hosted instance of an open source, federated social media network...
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While undeniably shitty, how amazing would it be if after instituting popular voting on mods more subreddits voted to go private? Not likely but it is tempting
I feel one of the reasons many subs have not gone indefinitely dark is that the mods too are attached to their communities, and probably rightfully so. If they are going to get booted out, which may easily happen when you leave it up to the Reddit horde to decide, then they might just decide to shut down the sub.
He can stuff the votes with bots and get what he wants. Don't think for a second that he'll let people like you and I succeed at voting out mods who are on his side.
Doesn't matter what changes he makes I'm never going back to that site that it's filled with karma farmers, bots and onlyfans spamers
When the subreddits went private I visited reddit three times, then a couple of times the next day, then once the following day. I haven't visited today and honestly I'm not missing it too much. If I get the urge to visit I just come here and it acts as my reddit nicotine patch.
Yeah I've been the same, and when I've browsed the comments there is so much aggro. Makes me wonder if it's always been like that and I was just blind to it.
Overall, the experience here is 1000 times better than Reddit
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Well this will bring me back to reddit... So I can vote out the mods who want to reopen the sub.
That's a good reason
Honestly fuck reddit. I was so tired of it, but there was nowhere else to go. At least I can develope a more healthy relationship with social media here
Reddit was pretty dope when the most popular post of the day had only 2k upvotes. They can keep their millions of users. We only need just enough.
That’s also what kind of makes me curious about Tildes too, slowly growing for them is intentional.
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No way we're gonna see reddit elections and campaigns this is hilarious
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Is the CEO going to be popularly elected too?
Oh you want to have popular elections for mods? Do it, see what happens. Poll crashing is a fucking sport.
Oh yeah, and:
“If you’re a politician or a business owner, you are accountable to your constituents. So a politician needs to be elected, and a business owner can be fired by its shareholders,” he said.
CEO of a company doesn't even understand business ownership. Business owners cannot be fired. They can be bought out. Shareholders are owners. C-level employees are almost universally also owners. Nobody can just "take away" ownership; it has to be bought, and an owner of property is the person who gets to decide whether to sell it or not. What an idiot.
He referred to the mods as landed gentry, which is such a gross and lazy way to try to get people on his side. It has a major flaw too: mods are unpaid, the whole idea behind gentry is that they make money from owning their land.
Let me help you out spez, you piece of shit, if you want to criticize the millions of dollars of unpaid work that mods do for their communities try comparing them to an HOA committee, that at least has a kernel of truth.
It's even more hilarious when the label is much more accurately applied to capital owners such as himself; they are the ones actually making money off of other people's labour via their ownership (of a company rather than land).
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Honestly like, if he makes it so mods can be popularly elected/unelected, well, he's gonna end up with the other sort of Reddit protestor -- the feral shitposters -- tearing down every mod on the whole page. I assume he would have to reverse that policy at exactly the moment he gets rid of his ... enemies, I guess? -- or else ViolentAcrezMAGAEdition is gonna be running r/worldnews with Roger Stone.
It's the bots that'll rule.
There's a shit load of botting services out there you can pay to upvote your agenda. And those services have the revenue generation to pay for the exorbitant API access.
Unless a sub is private... anyone can vote in polls, even if it's restricted. Reddit may even have it's own bots jumping in at that point.
I wonder which is a less fair, russian annexation referendums or reddit mod votes.
I’ll go back to reddit for a day to vote him off of r/programming
There's also the long game of voting in the most appalling mods you can find.
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So you do all that work for nothing just to be able to be voted out? 😂
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They're just looking for admin-friendly volunteers to cross the picket line and kick out protesting mods. It's unsurprising that it's come to this, and has already started in various reddit's (such as /r/AdviceAnimals, which still exists, apparently).
tone deaf much?
Smart move, it will definitely makes me go back to Reddit.
To vote for moderators who don’t want to end the protest.
Can we vote for the admins too?
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What an ass. I hope this gets some mods still over there to move here.
subreddits as businesses
I'll admit, I didn't have faith that he could, but he actually came up with a worse idea
I don't even think it's an original idea, I'm sure there's mods in brand subs (video games, for example) who are employees for the company which owns the product. He's just making it official and I bet he's gonna ask for a pretty penny for it.
The correct response is scorched earth, time to delete the protesting subreddits. the CEO has zero respect for those folks who built those community’s, might as well help remove the actual value of reddit.
Deleting the subreddits would be an easily reversible action for admins. Users will need to edit over comments to actually make a change that wouldn’t easily be reverted. Idk, maybe it could be. It would have to be a lot more users too.
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Thank you for the article, but can we talk about the eye-cancer that MSN has de-evolved into?
I click on the link, see the first 3 lines of the article (that I cannot actually click on to read the rest) followed up with an infinite wall of ads and "other articles you may enjoy".
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So everyone who left wouldn't vote and everyone who stayed can end the blackout
I'm not opposed to only going over there on old.reddit to vote the opposite of whats in Reddits best interests. Mods being a problem and you want them removed? Vote to keep them.
lol watch the voting mods out feature not work on old.reddit.
The bigger, sadder problem is that it would actually work. There's never been a more divided time in the world than now. You'd think everyone would see how disgraceful Reddit's actions have been and want nothing to do with the platform anymore, but realistically not everyone cares. It's already happening where you can simply tell mods that they aren't being paid for their time and instead of them thinking logically, they go ahead and ban you to silence you.
It’s not like they don’t know it’s not paid, if it’s a fun hobby people choose to support the communities they love they’d spend the time anyway. But with every move to make Reddit more corporate it makes the sites reliance on volunteers more exploitative.
Eh. a large majority of subreddits are moderated by just a few people as top mods. They're not modding out of the goodness of their hearts. They're modding because they're being paid to. (but not by reddit. It gives them a shit load of influence over what's on their subs, and companies find that... useful.)
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Watch subs elect actual Nazis, trolls, incels and transphobes to be moderators for the lols and then the site ends up being a cesspool.
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Yeah, that's exactly what reddit needed. For a bunch of angry mob trolls who don't want to respect community guidelines to go ahead and vote out mods enforcing said guidelines. Reddit gonna be straight up 4chan in less than a year.
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