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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 99 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Perhaps they're referring to memes like these

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 81 points 9 months ago
[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 80 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 70 points 9 months ago
[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago
[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 46 points 9 months ago (3 children)

lol a meme is literally just an idea.

Free exchange of ideas is the core concept of democracy.

[–] Kelly@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Exactly, and the report uses the term "memetic" to distinguish from its frequent use to mean "image macro". Unfortunately the article headline chose to confuse things.

"Advanced memetic engineering attacks could progressively undermine trust in financial markets and institutions, causing a steady, incremental impact on market stability rather than a sudden breakdown“
RAND Corporation, Technological and Economic Threats to the US Financial System, July 2024

The article body does a good job covering the topic, its a shame they chose such a clumsy headline.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Image memes were never the only memes in internet lingo, and the original Dawkins term is exactly how they're using it, as the analogue for gene, but with ideas generally. That's all fine.

But that makes their core concept "people might spread ideas we don't like".

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

people might spread ideas we dont like

So how would that even be justiciable?

[–] semperverus@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Thought-crime

[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

Is this just trying to say 'propaganda' (latin participle for "things that should be disseminated") with fancier words?

[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

Therefore, may I say, the free exchange of ideas poses a threat to the US financial system. May I add "It always was".

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Would you say that memes(in the sense of ideas with memetic properties that allow it to spread virally with great efficiency) such as QAnon or antivax, are they good for a democratic society? How about meme complexes(a collection of memes) like fascism or authoritarian ideologies? Don't get me wrong, exchange of ideas are good, but there are certain memes and ideas that must be argued against and fought, perhaps with our own memes and meme complexes. And if these memes and ideas are made less viable in terms of their ability to spread from the vaccine of counterargument and counter memery, then I say that's good.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Argued against, absolutely.

It cannot be a democracy if they're prevented from being able to share any ideas, insane or not.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I think there's a limit to that though, infohazards like how to make a bomb from common household materials and the like for example. In fact, the show mythbusters once made an episode about this exact topic, and they thank God, decided that it'd be responsible to censor/not air one of the tests they had conducted as it would be harmful if such information got out. Statistically, you know a few people would've tried out that recipe and blown their fingers off or something. I'm pretty sure I know what that compound was, and it's the same explosive that basically got the TSA banning liquid containers over 100mls or some shit.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

I made enough off my dogecoin to pay off my student loans, and it pleases me that the meme investing crowd actively took billions away from hedge funds.

It sucks having to pay for things like that, but it feels good that they're gone. I only hope one day they all get abolished.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wow. This guy figured out how to beat the system.........quick! Everybody take financial advice from this guy! We all listen to this one guys stock advice, invest all our life savings, and there's never ever any risk because this guy knows what he's doing!

I mean, it's not like there's any precident set up of people being conned into financial advice, investing heavily and then intentionally crashed by it's designers in order to scam an entire populace. What could POSSIBLY go wrong??? It IS the 20s after all!

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The person you're responding to just said what they did as a relevant example, not that everyone will get the same results or should do the same thing.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I just can't believe it doesn't happen more often. It's like do we all want to make some money? Sure. Do we want to spend an hour a day doing it? not really

Like what is the barrier? We all just need to agree to something.

The fucked thing is we do it normally anyways. We've done it for decades. We all go on our phones and share shaq shaking his shoulders or huac tua jokes. But making ourselves rich, nope too fucking far man.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net -3 points 9 months ago

Lies. No one made anything off of shitcoins

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

when memes dank, banks sunk

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Memes so dank, they'll sink a bank

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Dank jenk bank memes bro.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] RangerJosie@sffa.community 14 points 9 months ago
[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 10 points 9 months ago

Can I just say I'm so proud of this comments section

[–] deuleb_biezelbob@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago