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Currently, almost anyone in the Fediverse can see Lemmys votes. Lemmy admins can see votes, as well as mods. Only regular Lemmy users can't. Should the Lemmy devs create a way to make the votes anonymous?

There is a discussion going on right now considering "making the Lemmy votes public" but I think that premisse is just wrong. The votes are public already, they're just hidden from Lemmy users. Anyone from a kbin/mbin/fedia instance can check out the votes if they are so inclined.

The users right now may fall into a false sense of privacy when voting because the votes are hidden from Lemmy users. If you want to vote something and not show up on the vote list, please create another account to support that type of content and don't tell anyone.

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[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 1 points 8 months ago

No, it would encourage irresponsibility which already seems a major issue with lemmy.

[–] alphanerd4@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

if I leave it there. It’s because it’s not foul enough to warrant a ban but I don’t want to press a little green check box explicitly endorsing its existence. I have been here the whole time :/ Yal couped me

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Make the author of the comment/post see who voted for them.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I can see that in some circumstances, votes might need to be public due to protocol, otherwise public votes have their own uses, and so are private ones.

[–] Asudox@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If that were to happen, the receiving end wouldn't know who sent which vote, thus making spamming extremely easy.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

~~Sill waiting for someone to show me how to see what someone up votes and down votes on Lemmy through a pre-existing Mbin or Mastodon instance. That's really been the only convincing argument to make them public that I've heard. (That convinces me, I mean.) But nobody has shown it is possible through fedia.io for example. I tried but couldn't see it, but it's possible I was looking in the wrong place.~~

It's on mbin's post/comment under more > activity. Not under a user's profile.

[–] kali@fedia.io 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Here is a video of me doing it on my phone with fedia.io: https://files.catbox.moe/nb5rx1.mp4 For some reason it wouldn't show me reduces (downvotes), though.

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[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago

No, but they should be public to everyone, and not hidden unless you jump through hoops.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

One way to anonymize voting, if desired, could be just make a mess out of who voted what in the logs. I vote something, some other random user's name is logged. Or maybe that could be used to deter scrapers and make the incorrect logging reverseable somehow that requires actual human interaction that cant be automated.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online -2 points 10 months ago

Unlike commenting and posting, which offers the who, what, where, and when parts of the message passing process, voting on Lemmy (now, for non-admins) is inherently an unequal process. Imagine if someone could send you an email whenever they wanted, but you were prevented from knowing who or even from what instance it is from, or when it was sent, do you think that could open up a potential for some variety of abuse? Or texting, phone calls, showing up at your door, etc.

Knowing the identity of the voter is an important part of properly receiving the "message". It also increases freedom of choice, b/c otherwise the only way to prevent such messages (if, let's take it as a given that some people find them annoying) would be to turn off voting entirely, either by going to one of the instances that does that, or just ignoring all (down-)votes yourself.

If we want the Fediverse to grow, and in particular to include less emotionally stunted humans that actually care when someone says something about them, good or bad, this will be a necessity. (Also, I was speaking tongue-in-cheek there, but genuinely social standards do vary across this wide world, and it really would increase content if there were not only more but different types of people, especially those most likely to generate quality content.)

And as other non-Lemmy methods of access to the Fediverse provide that feature - k/mbin, piefed, sublinks - Lemmy will fall increasingly behind if it were to ignore this very basic feature.

Making the votes public also increases honesty, since they are already public now. And if you don't want to know who down-(up?-)votes you then... don't look? But for those who want to know, it will be a great feature to have.

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