How about, in the spirit of science and discovery, instead of that of capitalism, we stop aiming for competition and instead focus on co-operation?
this post was submitted on 18 Aug 2023
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What are you trying to say? The EU is finally doing the exact same thing the US did to breed SpaceX. Which currently has 70% of world payload volume to space
Not until a European company produces reusable rockets. This has generally been opposed at Arianespace because it reduces the amount of work available in the host countries
This has generally been opposed at Arianespace because it reduces the amount of work available in the host countries
That is literally the most foolish statement I have ever read. This attitude will literally make them go bankrupt. The only reason Arianespace still exists is because it's massively subsidized by the EU, it's basically a jobs program. What they're doing is nowhere near competitive with reusable rockets
True, and everyone knows Arianespace needs a reusable rocket now, but they never could start development until existentially threatened, so they start from scratch now
*did. They definitely could have
Physically yes, politically no.
And that's how you lose the space race
It's not a race. It's a jobs program which provides thought essential services to the governments. Just that nowadays, what is considered essential has been expanded.
Arianespace had lots of international customers, not just domestic government. Presumably that's all gone to SpaceX now, but that's a new development. Arianespace used to be competitive.
What I wanted to say is, even if they were to never again be competitive, they won't get dropped by the governments. They are a strategic resource of the European Union.
No. The talent is long gone or would demand incentives we cannot guarantee.
Talent is gone where ?
There is talent for aerospace in Europe, with around 120 000 employees for Airbus, 50 000 for Safran plus all their subcontractor you already have a good proof that there is a pool of aerospace tangents in Europe.
I think the talent is there but no political will to support it.
Plus, are we imagining that no one would be willing to move to Europe to work with space rockets? It's harder to get people to move, sure, but it's not impossible, especially not when you can offer a healthy work-life balance as opposed to giving yourself a burnout at CosmosTwitter for a billionaire with a complex.
CosmosTwitter offers three times the salary, though. Hard to compete with that.
Work-life balance is very important to some, and with cost-of-living adjustments the difference in money after all bills have been paid isn't quite as big. Do get the point though, but I certainly don't think it's impossible, especially not if you want senior personnel who likely want to be able to spend some time with their families.
You'd think so, but I'm not convinced. Maybe toxic workaholic culture propaganda has gotten to me, but it seems like the most impactful people enjoy long hours anyway.