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To clarify, the pictured poster Caroline Kwan is an ally, not a TERF. The TERFs referred to in the title are the ones ‘protecting a very specific idea of what a woman is’

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[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Genetically, he's been disqualified for swimming due to having a Z chromosome, meaning he's sexually a fish.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

When you're a gold medal winning man, you have overcome the obstacles of a normal man to become a superman.

When you're a gold medal winning woman, you have overcome the obstacles of a normal woman to become a man.

That's the logic at play.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yep, heard someone complain about Khelif and I asked them if we should have disqualified Phelps considering his genetics give him all the advantages and if they believed we would have complained about Khelif 20 years ago and if they believed that men who's testosterone is under a certain level should fight in the women's category. That was the end of them complaining.

[–] flerp@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

50 bucks says they didn't listen to a word you said and are still complaining about it, just in online echo chambers instead of to you

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'll repeat what I said elsewhere about this debate. You probably wonder "so what should the rules be to include an athlete for women's sports? Surely there must be some rule". This is understandable but please realize that the transphobes who are pushing this aren't concerned at all with the specifics. They're not even interested in women's sports. They want to remove trans women from public life altogether. Not just sports but everywhere. Intimidating trans athletes into obscurity is just their most recent tactic.

So please remember that there is no test that will satisfy the transphobes. There is no fair rule that can be agreed upon, because the transphobes will always keep moving the goalposts. This gets extremely complex. There is no use in debating these people. They will debate forever, because the actual deep down motivation is disgust with trans people.

Save your energy. Don't debate transphobes.

[–] Yambu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

Do women want to fight Imane? Probably not.

Do I want to fight Tyson in his prime? Probably also no lol

I'm not trying to make her look like Tyson but they are both outside the norm just like 99% of top athletes.

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm so stoked for the future of women rugby. Partially, because it's a very inclusive sport and it inherits a lot from its lore and ethos - with only a few years left until a woman will referee a high profile test game. And partially, because I want to see the same ferocious generic selection applied to female athletes.

Anyways, give it a go - some really good footy. If you're absolutely unaware of it, look up highlights of Portia Woodman.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

rugby is the sport predisposed to head injuries correct?

That'll certainly make for an interesting game, regardless of who plays.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Rugby, NFL football, hockey, boxing, and even WWE professional wrestling all have histories of multiple athletes suffering from CTE. Women’s hockey I think will have fewer incidences of CTE due to rule and equipment differences but it’s still early to say. We often didn’t find out about CTE in men’s hockey players until after they died young in retirement.

I have no idea what the rules for women’s rugby are like, if there are any differences. The real issue is a swinging motion of the head (caused by falls or sudden stops), not unlike the way a hammer swings. The movement of the brain inside the skull with sudden stops or changes of direction causes tearing like you’d expect if you swung around a bucket of jello and then slammed it against something.

I try to be cognizant of these things and not support these sports so much, yet they’re in my social circles and I do enjoy them. Every athlete makes their own choice to participate in these sports at the end of the day, though I wonder how informed they are about the risks.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

yeah, most sports include increased rates of brain damage, weirdly enough, but to my understanding, as somehow who doesn't know much about sports, rugby is just football (the american one) but with more contact and less padding afaik. Is that accurate?

I don't have a problem with people voluntarily giving themselves brain damage, i think, but it's definitely an odd problem to have.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Rugby has some similarities but is otherwise a completely different sport from American (gridiron) football. American football actually evolved out of rugby, first by the introduction of the snap. This led to the concept of “downs” and the requirement to advance the ball a minimum number of yards (originally 5, now 10) within the allotted number of tackles.

The sport was extremely dangerous at the time because of the way mass formations of players would impact into each other at full speed. More rule changes were needed to make it safer, and the field was made wider to give more room for players to run around the other team instead of ploughing through.

[–] Fish@midwest.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean by "TERFs"? Caroline Kwan is a leftist, not a TERF.

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago

That's correct, Caroline Kwan is not a TERF. The TERFs referred to in the title are the ones 'protecting a very specific idea of what a woman is'