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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

how many felonies did she commit?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Its not illegal to disproportionately imprison black people for minor drug offenses in the USA, just like slavery was and remains very legal there.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago

excellent post 🫡

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

LMAO at the amount of "her entire career has been about building and filling internment camps, but at least she doesn't have the popular support for a soft coup!" in this thread.

[–] Mambert@beehaw.org 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

A federal prosecutor has always dedicated her career to building "internment camps" but a literal coup that led to several deaths was "soft"?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I can't tell which you're trying to do, apologize for maga chuds or kamala's abuse of black people and immigrants.

[–] Mambert@beehaw.org 1 points 4 months ago

That's right where I want to be. So on the fence you frustratingly want me to just pick any side.

But for your own sanity sake, I prefer to side with society freedoms. I'm too young and broke to care about tax brackets or inflation rate.

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Several deaths:

six people died: one was shot by Capitol Police, another died of a drug overdose, three died of natural causes, and a police officer died after being assaulted by rioters.

I'll admit it may technically be a mischaracterization, but I don't think you understand the level of violence that is typical of "hard" coups.

[–] Mambert@beehaw.org 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I just disagree with softening the word by adding "soft" at the beginning. A soft coup is a coup. Date rape is still rape, candy-corn-murder is still murder. No need to add prefixes to try and categorize them, and artificially make some sort of hierarchy.

By naming it any less than a coup, and holding all coups to the same standard, it's an attempt to soften it, and I am against that.

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's not a hierarchy per se so much as different categories/distinctions which I do think is useful. A serial killer is different than a hitman which is different than a soldier. I agree they are all functionally the same but they serve different purposes and have different characteristics which are important to keep in mind when talking about them.

That being said you've changed my mind on calling it a "soft" coup as it doesn't really accurately describe the differences I was trying to convey. "Incompetent, halfhearted, and poorly planned autocoup" would be more accurate but it's a mouthful and I don't know if that's the most useful distinction either.

Either case thanks for the pushback!

[–] Mambert@beehaw.org 2 points 4 months ago

I definitely agree we have different names for different scenarios!

When a rich person is murdered, they're assassinated

When a religious figure does a magic trick, it's a miracle etc

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Well worth it to actually click through and read some of the specific articles on topics of interest. The descriptions are not all accurate.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Many of these are about a case of a man supposedly throwing a knife under a car, for instance. "A crime he didn't commit" is inaccurate, it remained very much in question.

https://laist.com/news/kpcc-archive/san-fernando-valley-man-s-freedom-hangs-in-appeal

Really, I recommend reading through any that strike your interest, and not simply trusting the one-shot summaries provided by a random person on the internet.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago (11 children)

Many of these are about a case of a man supposedly throwing a knife under a car, for instance.

So far as I can tell, a single bullet point is about this, just with multiple links.

"A crime he didn't commit" is inaccurate, it remained very much in question.

It's a claim straight from one of the links and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that a conviction based solely on cop testimony, later contradicted by other witnesses, with an incompetent defending lawyer that was later disbarred, is plenty enough to make that claim.

Really, I recommend reading through any that strike your interest, and not simply trusting the one-shot summaries provided by a random person on the internet.

Sure, but read them critically and not with a pro-cop bias.

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[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Oh whodathunkit?

[–] nick@midwest.social 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yes, she sucks in her own ways. But she’s not a fascist.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

A nationalist "tough on crime" anti-socialist with a deep appreciation for cops-for-capitalism pining for a return to "glory days" for a subset of residents while scapegoating others via racist and xenophobic policies? While pushing a genocide? Whose supporters can't even name the parts of her platform that appeal to them, instead trying to build a cult of personality and identify through who they reject?

To the extent anyone is fascist any longer she's right up there. But she uses rhetoric that is normalized for liberals and flies under the radar because the oppression she supports is sanitized and "politely" obfuscated.

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[–] Mambert@beehaw.org 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't see "attempted a coup when she lost an election and still denies losing to this day" so my mind is still set.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The least you can do is join the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) or Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO). Only through organization outside the electoral system does the Proletariat have any hope of steering the ship and seizing the reigns.

[–] nick@midwest.social 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

No. The stakes are too high for this bullshit. Better Kamala than an actual literal fascist.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (11 children)

The stakes are too high to not organize, voting for the Dems doesn't stop fascism, or even delay it.

MAGA is popular for the same reason other nationalist, fascist movements have risen over the course of modern history: as a response to Capitalist decay. MAGA isn't popular for genetic reasons, intellectual inferiority, or other reasons like that, but as a common class interest. All of the descriptors in the OP are consequences of the driving factor of class interests, not the drivers themselves.

Fascism is most often represented as an alliance between the Petite Bourgeoisie and Bourgeoisie proper, driven by the Petite Bourgeoisie, as monopolization of Capital results in competition becoming more and more difficult, and the Petite Bourgeoisie faces Proletarianization. To prevent the Petite Bourgeoisie from joining the Proletariat in solidarity, the Bourgeoisie proper turns their hatred against the Proletariat and Lumpenproletariat.

What does this all mean, in practical, American terms? Small business owners, landlords, ie the "middle class," is shrinking in power, so the Small Business Owners are aligning with billionaires like Musk and Bezos against immigrants, workers, unhoused peopled, gender/sexual minorities, women, ethnic minorities, and more.

How do we fix this? Grow the Petite Bourgeoisie and restore their position? Absolutely not! That's when fascism is established. Trying to "turn the clock back to the good old days" results in dramatic reductions in worker rights and a solidification of power.

What we need to do is establish Socialism. A victory of the Proletariat, a folding of the large monopolist syndicates into the public sector so they can be centrally planned for the public good, rather than privately planned for profit, is the way forward. This is the way to escape fascism's rise. This is the way to defeat MAGA.

I recommend reading the book Blackshirts and Reds, fascism's irrationality has rational, material origins, that can be understood and defeated, and it isn't in the "marketplace of ideas."

[–] nick@midwest.social 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that’s never happening dude, sorry; this shit’s way too entrenched. Until we start killing lobbyists and billionaires off, ain’t shit changing. Might as well be pushing Jill stein.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago (10 children)

The answer is organizing. Join the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) or Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO). Only through organization outside the electoral system does the Proletariat have any hope of steering the ship and seizing the reigns.

If you do not organize, then you are fine with fascism.

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[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

You should organize against genocide, not support its perpetrators.

[–] SoJB@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago
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