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Ukraine's Zelenskyy says he wants to end war with Russia through diplomacy next year (www.cbsnews.com)

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Kyiv would like to end the war with Russia next year through "diplomatic means" as both countries prepare for President-elect Donald Trump's return to the White House.

In an interview with the Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne, Zelenskyy said he is certain that the war will end "sooner" than it otherwise would have once Mr. Trump becomes president.

The prospect of Trump returning to power in the United States next year has raised questions about the future of the conflict, as the Republican has been critical of U.S. military aid to Kyiv.

Zelenskyy said that Ukraine "must do everything so that this war ends next year, ends through diplomatic means."

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[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 months ago (17 children)

The idea that it is possible to "diplomacy" your way out of conflict with a dictator is so absurd I want to laugh my ass off, but unfortunately it isn't funny at all.

Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat, and now that he has his American buddy back in place, now with added musk funds, it is seriously delusional to think the situation is going to do anything other than escalate.

Zelenskyy is being beyond naive at best (I honestly don't believe he believes in what he's saying).

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I don’t think he’s being naive, he knows Trump is going to hang him out to dry, and he can’t win without ongoing US support. So if he’s come to the conclusion that defeat is inevitable, or at least that victory is impossible, then it makes sense to start posturing to that effect, to try to get the best outcome possible later at the negotiating table.

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[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He's responding to his talks with Trump. He knows US support is going to fade fast under the new guy. He's trying to save his country.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

Then dust off those nuke plans...

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago (18 children)

Wtf is with you people claiming you know what's best for these countries? Its like you're larping as the us state dept.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Good news. Hopefully the bloodshed can be ended as soon as possible.

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[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So it looks like it's finally happening?

[–] chillBurner@lemmy.ml 28 points 3 months ago

The best time to take ceasefire was before.

The second best time is now

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The US won't allow it, the same way they didn't allow it the previous times.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The best reason to end any war is to ask how everyone can just stop killing one another.

This is modern day civilization, not the barbarian hordes of Europe 1500 years ago.

We have a choice to act civilized or like our ignorant ancestors from thousands of years ago.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago (5 children)

War is a necessity as long as Imperialism remains the dominant contradiction in the world, we need to move beyond Capitalism to move beyond war.

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[–] md5crypto@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

ask yourself in whose interest is it to continue this insane war.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

(Military corporations in the US and Russia)

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[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thousand years from now, the same statement will be made of us. We humans change little.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Humans change quite a bit depending on Mode of Production, which shapes culture and norms.

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[–] Korkki@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What he likely means "ending the war by diplomatic means" is not talking or negotiating with Russia. No, that would be worst heresy imaginable. When he has previously talked about the use of diplomacy to find peace, what he really means is for Ukraine redouble it's efforts to beg for more money and weapons, but also get US and Europe to put more pressure on countries like China and India to ditch Putin and support Ukraine instead. Zelensky has talked along these lines before. Make his position seem reasonable to those who who want Ukraine to seek settlement, when it really isn't any different from "Zelensky's peace plan" that can be summed up in demand Russia's unconditional surrender as a precondition to any kind of dialogue.

I fear it's this kinda crazy talk that we are looking at. Zelensky or his inner circle just bring themselves to talk to the Russians, nor can they talk about things like giving up even places like Crimea. They just can't give an inch and we all know what happens to the reeds that don't bend with wind.

[–] _pi@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 months ago

Zelenskyy literally cannot advocate for negotiated peace. The Right wing nationalist elements of Ukraine's coalition will effectively murder him if that becomes his position. It remains to be seen what will happen to him when he's forced into it by the reality of the war and the waning of international support by his patron states.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They absolutely can. Easily. They made a peace deal shortly after war started, but Zelensky accepted weapons bribe promises to keep going instead. As they are nearing the last Ukrainian, and the bribes will dry up, something close to original deal will happen instead. Zelensky is dead either way, but peace lets him flee somewhere, and claim to have done the right thing.

[–] Korkki@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Zelensky is dead either way, but peace lets him flee somewhere, and claim to have done the right thing.

Zelensky's dilemma is that his real powerbase are the militant ultranationalists who surround him, who make up a double edged sword for him. Even if the Ukrainian people would have wanted peace yesterday they are not armed or organized. Zelensky still needs the nationalists around him to stand between him and possible popular uprising and the more moderate wing of the army doing a coup. If Zelensky goes for peace he fears that the nationalists around him will see that as an betrayal of Ukraine, them and those who have sacrificed their lives for their project and will turn on him and arrange an "Russian missile strike" in his office that will kill him and end any negotiations. You must understand that despite being called nationalists, the banderites love their imaginary version of Ukraine more than the actual nation. Ukraine bending the knee to Russia would save the real Ukraine, but it would destroy their ideal version of it and doom and taint their idea of Ukrainian nationalism forever.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago

You are correct in assessment of Ukraine power dynamics. But there may be a realism hit taking place if US won't fund the war. The banderites/Zelensky may wish to become South Korea. The "Musk ceasefire with EU peacekeepers" is South Korea with continued skirmishes, and not something Russia will fall for. "Listening to Russia's concerns" is a peace plan. Given Ukraine's path, mentioning peace may be Zelensky's way to threaten a better offer from West.

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[–] griefstricken@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

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[–] griefstricken@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

My buddy says he's going to stop drinking next year. 🤠

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