Baguette

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[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 hours ago

Your original point was that third places require no cost. If you want to change to low cost, then bars and cafes still fit that category.

The average person can afford to order a beer or a coffee during their hangout. I've worked at Starbucks before, in a mall. It's an average of 5 to 6 usd for a drink. The cafe my friend works in is the same. An average place is not serving 12 dollar lattes. The outliers here is some crazy customization, like if you ordered a veinte frappe with cold foam and extra pumps of syrup and subbing whole milk for oat, all that jazz, and the cashier decided to actually ring you up for all of it, or if you decided to go to erewhon.

There is obviously a financial barrier for classifying third places, but that barrier is moreso on the restaurant level in my opinion.

I could talk end to end about how capitalism and world events has led to the slow destruction of the cafe as a third place, but that doesn't mean a traditional cafe and pub is not one. I'm obviously not going to consider erewhon a third place. I'm not going to consider a bar in a penthouse hotel a third place.

Here's an example of UC talking about pubs and cafes being a third place. It even talks about the idea of spending money and free third places.

https://esl.uchicago.edu/2023/11/01/third-places-what-are-they-and-why-are-they-important-to-american-culture/

[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Oldenburg suggests that beer gardens, main streets, pubs, cafés, coffeehouses, post offices, and other "third places" are the heart of a community's social vitality and the foundation of a functioning democracy.[6]

The creator of the term himself had pubs and cafes listed as examples of a third place.

He is aware that modern suburbs only offer first and second places with a mandatory car-centric commute between them, and that "public" places have become commercialized to the extent in which one is required to purchase a good or service and is forbidden to "loitering."[8]

Sure the regulation against loitering obviously takes away the convenience nature of third places, but traditionally these places don't enforce the need to spend money to exist in the space. It's also not prohibitively expensive even if you spend money, i.e. its a place where people can conveniently make plans to hang out at.

To your point on capitalism, I've already talked about how capitalism are actively destroying cafes as third places. Starbucks as a notorious example has been promoting drive thru so much, taking away actual indoors space, and destroying the social aspect of cafes. Yes capitalism is bad and malicious in this sense, but a place isn't disqualified as a third place just because you can spend money there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Oldenburg

Edit: better formatting

[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

This article is so weirdly written

One of his points is that a vhs player is easily fixable while a wifi router isn't. These things aren't even remotely the same. They don't serve the same function, they don't have the same complexity. Comparing their repairability makes no sense because they serve different functions. Just because I know how to repair a keyboard doesn't mean I know how to fix a tv.

Most of his complaints are on the capitalization of modern technology, which is not a problem of innovation and knowledge, it's an economics and political problem.

[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place

Bars and coffee shops are listed as examples here. The definition used doesn't include no cost, because otherwise so many places don't fall under the category

[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The definition I always used is just a place separate from home and work

Given that coffee shops are (were) considered third places the expectations of not needing to spend money isn't really part of the definition I would say.

[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 day ago (8 children)

It's one of the few third places left, and one of the only third places open late when people are out of normal 9 to 5 work

Look how they massacred most coffee shops. 99% of them are for grabbing coffee togo, not for sitting down in.

[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuck yea I love metallic cubes!

The inner machinations of an electrical engineer is too complicated for me to understand, I think they might be thinking on a higher order to understand these circuits

Thats why I barely passed my electrical engineering class lol

[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 days ago

The cat is the one that employed the dog

[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 days ago

Gaming nowadays is always about being patient, whether its a pre order or controversy.

This also applies to the internet in general tbh

[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 days ago

Original subnautica is amazing. I've played it twice which is a really high bar for me cause I rarely replay story driven games

Below zero isn't bad either, I enjoyed it but it doesn't come close to my first playthrough of subnautica

[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 days ago

The dev bonus payout is still unconfirmed and is a rumor until of course either an insider confirms it or it gets confirmed at the end of 2025, when the payout is supposed to happen. Who knows exactly how true it will be, hence why I'm not basing my opinion on it just yet. Could end up being moved to a different date, could end up being true. I just dislike immediately raising pitchforks just because a terrible thing supposedly may happen. I have enough patience to wait and see what the future holds.

Yea the founders getting ousted is a bit of a sour taste. I just have less sympathy for them since they were also the ones who sold the company in the first place.

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