He needs Russia to win...
Because Putin demands it of him to force it that way.
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I suspect Trump hopes Putin will give him 20% anyway
Yes, it's mostly Putins goal, he knows the US will be too busy internally/incompetent to mean anything on a world stage so Russia takes the lead.
Musk is a firm believer of being part of the destruction of the world and desires to be on the forefront of reshaping it... For him it's all good 'till the restructuring begins.
So the path to world war has been firmly set in motion:
Trump fully destroys the US' international influence by dismantling the NATO and UN memberships, closing bases on foreign soil and discarding its external intelligence machine.
Ukraine will not want to be conquered and can make its own nukes, will be a huge pain for Russia.
Russia will attempt to take back eastern Europe, first through (political)chaos then by force, like it has done times and times again in the past.
Iran will see the US kneeling before Russia and openly attacks Israel with all it has, the US will try to call on the Arab states to intervene, but it would be in the name of Israel which... yeah is a bit awkward...
India and Japan will declare neutrality, Japan closes itself off from the world as in the olden days, and India has a few worms to pick with Pakistan....
Afrika is a tribal bloodbath on it's own and no party in this.
China will feel legitimized in taking Taiwan and perhaps all of Korea, which destroys the Wests supply of silicon. Causing a tipping point into all out war over the whole globe...
You're right in that, I just did not want to put that in words yet :-]
I wonder how much another overwhelming fraudulous win for MAGA would be ignored, because it definitely is a clear sign bridges were burned.
The one thing that would have stopped all this and put things on a different path is immediately lock up Trump and co-conspirators under solid treason charges, it was easy to prove as well.
But the wishy washy and slow way the investigation and justice machine rolled is what gave Trump all the chances.
He got to puff up his ego for years on being unjustly attacked, and (re)grow the cult around him.
He got his supreme court to give him king-like powers (and now he claims the rest of the kingly might and immunity).
He got Elon Musk to spy on everyone, steal all private data including home adresses to sick cultists to... and Elon now has the means to destroy the financial transaction of anyone against the regime...
The blame for it all was not directly on Biden, the democrats nor on the elections themselves, this was on a system that was apathetic and waiting out time for the one thing to happen.
And again the system is waiting out time to see what happens at the next elections, but that will turn out to be a mirage, Trump and co will not relinquish power anymore.
All of it was stopped if Trump was locked up. He should never have been a 2nd candidate, not just not eligible but locked up for decades.
The democrats would indeed need to find more charismatic leadership with fighting spirit, but the MAGA camp had been given a crippling blow.
Now the world watches as the USA destroys itself permanently, has its influence drift away on the winds, and loses everything to its ages old communist enemy Russia.
I think you're right, but the chance is very high they will cancel midterms shortly before the date.
Probably spouting some excuse. Either in the line of it undermining "democracy" because Trump was already chosen, or they'll go the way of it being a plan to block the current path for the USA so it will be postponed until the plan is on more solid grounds, "for the good of the country".
If they do let the midterms proceed, Trump will dismiss the results whatever they are, citing that by then he only has governing power.
He already has made an executive order that only he and a sole AG decide what the law is...
A promise was made that when he was chosen he'd make it so that there would be no need to vote again...
Everybody seems to hold on to the midterms as the slot where things will turn around again, but the project 2025 camp has plans to close this window for sure. And frankly, it feels by then fear will rule all and the slippery slope has shifted to a freefall.
The conversation ran off while I responded to the original comment, I have no desire to mingle in an ongoing discussion...
Besides that, I can not speak of things that can no longer happen, Harris is out, Biden is out. Nor do I know what Trump's successor will do.
Why something did not happen under Biden is not relevant, Biden did not promise to stop the war day 1, he did not proclaim himself the great deal maker and ender of wars. Ukraine should have been given NATO membership, OR at least NATO protection way back when they were forced to give up their nukes. I say it was a mistake that putin took advantage of.
But the right thing to do currently, and something I do think Harris and/or Biden would have done or worked towards (undermining internal US politics not taken in account) is put a permanent American security force inside Ukraine, including naval bases. There would be boots on the ground as a security measure and amends for broken promises. Also, there is NO reason Trump couldn't offer this in his "deal" other than putin saying no. Instead Trump plainly offers nothing and calls it a peace deal.
As I an others pointed out now, this is at least the 3rd time that Putin tries to conquer Ukraine and various promises from the West were made (as well as promises broken from Russia's side) in the past that Ukraine would know peace and safety ... I do think after the 3rd time Putin needs to learn that enough is enough.
Now, returning to my original remark, this is not a peace "deal" at all ... this is just not so covertly telling putin to come take it whenever he feels comfortable doing so, best while Trump personally is still in power so he can again sit back and do nothing about it.
You are deluded into Trump offering anything, he is not, he is taking it all away so Russia can go have their way with Ukraine in about 5 years... AGAIN.
- No (NATO) Soldiers on the ground to safeguard peace.
- No NATO membership ... because putin says so.
- No giving back territories forcibly taken by invader Russia.
- No reparations to be made by invader Russia.
- No more standing national Ukrainian army, "defensive" task force only.
- No making money for Ukraine on their own resources, it will all go to putin one way or another.
- No guarantees or safeguards whatsoever that putin will not come back and go scorched earth on Ukraine and utterly displace a people, like it is already doing.
- No keeping the seized Russian assets as payments and penalties for the war, it is all to be given back to Putin together with the wests deepest humble apologies.
What does Trump think the Ukrainians were fighting for anyway if its all given away like that?
This is all purely the USA LOSING, there is no deal here, Trump is kneeling before Putin.
And an ending note: Ukraine should be applauded, they DID make headway, reconquered lost territories, conquered parts of Russia itself, and most of all it stood firm agains a country far larger with greater resources to throw at them but they pushed back the invader and made Russia pay dearly every chance they got because Russia has no business in Ukraine.
And a small bonus on top: it showed the world how weak the Russian army really is, most of its technology now proven to be inferior and only its centuries old strategy of throwing cannon fodder 'till the other side runs out of ammo is what keeps Russia in the fight.
But again, Trump is the huge loser in this conflict, Ukraine can stand proud but abandoned, and Putin laughs 'till he falls asleep.
Alas, the message Heggseth is spreading in Trump's name in Europe and Ukraine is that all will be given to Putin and all the fighting and killing and spending of billions has been moot.
No US protection, no NATO soldiers in Ukraine to keep peace.
No return of taken lands, no reparations to be paid by invader russia.
No NATO membership.
No large Ukrainian army allowed.
And ofcourse: No guarantees that Putin won't return to forcibly claim the rest or destroy Ukraine 5 years on.
And it is not spoken of but the valuable resources go to Russia, not the US. The seized Russian assets ofcourse will be given back to Putin under a gesture of severe groveling and kneeling by the west.
In effect, the USA lost all and Putin won the conflict.
Think about it ... the USA LOSES this conflict against a severely outclassed enemy. Only because Trump is afraid of his idol Putin.
Remember when Trump did away with the regulations to register car accidents caused by electric vehicles and self driving mechanisms?
Now there's no way to prove its a problem with the car when Tesla starts sueing customers in the US, and it learned it can do that from China.
But also, his goons are completely vulnerable either way and there is little the president can do with his own hands.
They all hope for/assume/were promised full pardons.
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Yeah he'll withdraw troops and NATO support no matter how things go in Europe ...
He'll need more armyboots at home defending his regime ... also needs to recoup costs due to losing out on tax income and tariff lies. Then there is this thing where he wants to give Putin this favor of dismantling NATO.
So, his demand was 2% in 2017 ... and countries are exceeding that, Poland is already spending more than even the US, and Germany is climbing, so he upped it to 5% to get the excuse of the US backing out.
Even if they meet 5%, in a few years he'll up it further.
Ofcourse for now he'll assume the NATO members still feel bound to keep supplying intelligence information and buy American weaponry, even if NATO falls apart.