HayadSont

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[–] HayadSont@discuss.online 1 points 4 hours ago

Immutable structure creates difficulties for customization (more applicable to desktop systems than handhelds/custom consoles).

FWIW, it seems that 2/3 of Bazzite's user base uses it (primarily) as a game console anyways.

[–] HayadSont@discuss.online 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My apologies fam for not being able to help out much (if at all) 😅. FWIW, for related~ish reasons, I intend to explore the waters of NixOS within a couple of weeks. What are your plans?

[–] HayadSont@discuss.online 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Alright, I very much appreciate you for sharing those articles; it allows me to get into the nitty-gritty of things. Thank you!

As someone who champions the (ongoing) paradigm shift towards atomic/declarative/immutable/stateless systems, I can't but admire the effort to (IIUC):

  • Have changing the base of the system without requiring a reboot as a first-class design goal that's well supported (unlike Fedora Atomic)
  • Employ a hash + store system that doesn't require forsaking the FHS nor enforces a DSL (unlike NixOS)
  • Accomplish the above on a long-standing independent project, so that we can (on one hand) trust the longevity of the project AND (on the other hand) know that it isn't actively resisting its upstream (unlike many other smaller projects, some of which are found here)

While glancing over the many articles, I couldn't really find anything related to declarative system management. Is this something the project intends to tackle eventually?

[–] HayadSont@discuss.online 1 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This sounds pretty exciting. Thank you so much for your continued contributions!

In the future the plan is for Solus to use AerynOS tooling and on their side development is going rapidly.

Should I interpret this as Solus going 'immutable'? Or is it something else?

[–] HayadSont@discuss.online 2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Apologies for the late response. And this is probs not what you'd like to hear. But I've heard some industry veterans refer to this as an inevitability of the 'old' model. I believe a radical approach is required to prevent this from happening the next time. Wish ya good luck fam!

[–] HayadSont@discuss.online 1 points 3 days ago

Fam, with all due respect, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you've 'properly' engaged with my previous reply. Don't get me wrong, it's your absolute prerogative to disregard/move-on/disengage/let-go especially if you're already moved on. The daunting task to read a wall of text concerning a subject you've internally closed/'solved' ain't everyone's cup of tea anyways. The reason I've brought this up, is because most of how I would respond to your latest reply is already contained within my previous reply 😅. As such, I will refrain from reiterating what I've said before for the sake of brevity. Instead, I'll try to strictly address the unaddressed. I'll also take the liberty to assume that you're not a fan of consuming long-form content. This will also be reflected in the remainder of this reply.

my phrasing gave everyone else enough information that they could just suggest a distro

Suggesting a distro ain't hard; CTRL + click here consecutively to get a random stream of distros. Even if we would limit it to the union of gaming distros with (semi-)rolling release distros, there's a lot to choose from. As such, mentioning what's out there ain't impressive. But expertly navigating between them sure as hell is.

Granted, suggesting a (new) distro wasn't even the objective. You wanted comparisons... Or, rather, I assumed you did.

CachyOS was baremetal on my machine.

It would probably have saved us both a bunch of trouble if you had been transparent/explicit about this. I can't read your mind nor do I like to assume stuff.

but instead asked for a comparison between three distros that were (somehow) selected by you.

They're all gaming distros, dude. I felt like that was evident.

Please allow me to clarify that it wasn't entirely clear why these gaming distros were specifically selected, while others like CachyOS, ChimeraOS, DraugerOS, Jovian-NixOS, PikaOS and Regata OS were not.

I'm sorry this whole post discussion has not gone the way you wanted

Fam, I got literally no stakes in this discussion. Apologies if I made you uncomfortable (or something) by making you think otherwise. I was merely in it to help/assist/support/aid you to the best of my abilities. For this, I required more input so that I wouldn't have to succumb you under multiple walls of text. I didn't think asking you to answer "could you perhaps be more clear on what it is you’d like to tinker/tweak/customize in the first place? Please, if possible, be explicit." was unreasonable. But perhaps I was wrong.

but it's gone the way I wanted. And I believe I've found something that works for me.

I sure hope so, fam. I wouldn't want to see you return with your tail between your legs.

[–] HayadSont@discuss.online 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hmm.., could you state/explain how the ASUS Chromebook is tangibly more ergonomic than other laptop keyboards beyond what they advertise on their website?

While modern ThinkPads can't boast about their keyboards to the extent that their predecessors did, it's undeniably one of the better options. As such, consider taking a look at this page and see if you find something you fancy. I'm aware that the page hasn't been updated since last year. But, your budget dictates that it's in your best interest to buy a used device anyways.

[–] HayadSont@discuss.online 1 points 3 days ago

I've installed it through secureblue's ujust script. I think this has been the smoothest experience I've had with it on Fedora Atomic.

Previously, I relied on the wireguard profiles I downloaded from ProtonVPN and which I loaded through NetworkManager. While it definitely worked, it was a hassle to redo it every now and then. Furthermore, switching on the go to something else I hadn't loaded already was never an experience I enjoyed doing.

Though, for completeness' sake, ProtonVPN^[Note that, IIRC, IVPN and Mullvad don't fare better in this regard.] hasn't fixed its IP leakage on Linux. And, to my knowledge, the workaround is only available with access to the wireguard profiles. And thus, the cumbersome method actually offers a very tangible merit over the comfortable one.

Finally, while I don't endorse the use of NordVPN, it's the only other VPN that's installable as a sysext. Note that systemd system extensions are still experimental, though. Even if they've (read: N=1) been reliable to use for me.

[–] HayadSont@discuss.online 1 points 3 days ago

Tekte türkçe konuştuğumu bildin.

Ee, ne demişler: Tek akıllı sen değilsin 😉.

Immutable dağıtımlardan birini şu an ki Fedora KDE ile dualboot edeceğim

Eyv, ama dikkat et, o iş biraz karışık bir mesele. Şu bulduğum iki kaynağa mutlaka başvur ki güzelim sistemin b*k uğruna güme gitmesin.

yoksa beni bir yerden tanıyor musun?

Yoo. Sadece "Bu eleman hangi distro'yu kullanıyor acaba?" diye merak edip profiline göz atınca fark ettim ki... meğer babacan Türkiyeliymiş.

[–] HayadSont@discuss.online 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

İçimden, "Bunca lafın üzerine kankim asaletine yakışanı yapar da bir teşekkürü esirgemez herhalde," diye düşünmüştüm. Ama maalesef, Türkiyeli olması hasebiyle daha level atlayamamış 😂. Olsun, demek ki henüz kalkınma vakti gelmemiş 🤣.

[–] HayadSont@discuss.online 1 points 4 days ago

Apologies for the 'spam', but I was afraid editing my previous message would be in vain. If you desire/crave for decent documentation, then Bazzite deserves another endorsement. While its documentation isn't as expansive as the excellent ArchWiki, it should be more than able to answer your questions.

Secondly, if you happen to come across an issue that has been painstakingly difficult to resolve, then please consider consulting its many community channels for support. There's a Discourse, a Discord and an AnswerOverflow. So pick your poison 😉. FWIW, I've always had great experiences on their Discord.

[–] HayadSont@discuss.online 1 points 4 days ago

Excellent choice fam! However, as much as I adore Fedora Kinoite, it might not provide the best onboarding 😅. If you're fine with that, then please feel free to go ahead and embark on your journey. However, I would suggest you to at least look into uBlue's offerings:

  • All operate within the paradigm of providing a so-called "batteries-included" product. So, going through the whole mumbo jumbo of RPM Fusion's Howtos to see what's relevant for you to apply and painstakingly waiting for them to be applied can be skipped.
  • Furthermore, based on your precise needs, you can choose to adopt more opinionated variants:
    • Aurora is their general use KDE variant
    • Bazzite, on the other hand, is their game ready variant that defaults to KDE
  • Or, if you prefer a minimal installation, you can choose to install their base images instead. These basically offer Fedora's images (including Kinoite) with the absolute minimal of hardware enablement and other essential uBlue goodies.
  • If you are a system crafter at heart, then perhaps you're more attracted towards creating your own bootc image. This can be achieved by uBlue's own image-template OR through the community-effort in BlueBuild.

Regardless, fam, enjoy! And please consider to report back on your findings 😉! I would love to read your adventures of venturing the exotic waters of Fedora Atomic 😊!

 

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Included is the following disclaimer by the author:

  • This may not be representative of all types of Linux users. I’m sure this is not what your AWS engineer uses on EC2.
  • This may not be completely representative of all Linux gamers either. But I’d wage this is actually a good predictor where the market is going to shift. We saw first that Manjaro was getting the boot here first, before going under pretty much everywhere.
  • There may be some additional biases, due to whoever used ProtonDB.
  • Flatpak is NOT a distro, but that’s what Steam reports when it’s running on Flatpak, and Flatpak being distro independent we report it as a separate environment, if that makes sense. Feel free to ignore it if you wish.
  • Arch Linux is Arch Linux on desktop. The Steam Deck’s OS is reported as HoloISO, not Arch Linux, so stop trying to claim that Arch is first because of the Steam Deck! This is mainly data reported from desktop PCs, so no, SteamOS is not a thing at the moment on such machines. This may change as Valve starts providing official support beyond the Steam Deck.
 

Included is the following disclaimer by the author:

  • This may not be representative of all types of Linux users. I’m sure this is not what your AWS engineer uses on EC2.
  • This may not be completely representative of all Linux gamers either. But I’d wage this is actually a good predictor where the market is going to shift. We saw first that Manjaro was getting the boot here first, before going under pretty much everywhere.
  • There may be some additional biases, due to whoever used ProtonDB.
  • Flatpak is NOT a distro, but that’s what Steam reports when it’s running on Flatpak, and Flatpak being distro independent we report it as a separate environment, if that makes sense. Feel free to ignore it if you wish.
  • Arch Linux is Arch Linux on desktop. The Steam Deck’s OS is reported as HoloISO, not Arch Linux, so stop trying to claim that Arch is first because of the Steam Deck! This is mainly data reported from desktop PCs, so no, SteamOS is not a thing at the moment on such machines. This may change as Valve starts providing official support beyond the Steam Deck.
 

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A video by SavvyNik that covers some of the highlights from the following recently published scientific article - Wolves in the Repository: A Software Engineering Analysis of the XZ Utils Supply Chain Attack

 

Fellow open-source enthusiasts,

We all have that mental backlog of promising projects — those distros, tools, and systems we keep tabs on but haven't yet deployed. Perhaps you're waiting for that mythical free weekend, lacking a spare/compatible device or just holding out until that one killer feature drops.

FWIW, my 'someday' list includes:

Operating Systems/Distros:

  • Gentoo – Source-based meta-distribution driven by Portage and USE-flags for near-granular control; binary packages also available if you'd rather skip marathon compile sessions.
  • Guix System – GNU's functional, declarative distro built with Guile Scheme.
  • MocaccinoOS – Image-based, container-built distro that originated from Gentoo/Sabayon but now uses the Luet package manager and OTA-like updates.
  • NixOS – Declarative Linux distribution using the Nix package language.
  • Qubes OS – Security-focused OS that uses Xen virtualization to compartmentalize your digital life into isolated environments with a unified desktop.
  • Spectrum – In-development security-oriented OS built on Nixpkgs using KVM-based microVMs for compartmentalization.

Desktop Environments/Window Managers:

  • COSMIC - System76's comprehensive Wayland-native desktop environment written in Rust.
  • Hyprland – Dynamic tiling Wayland compositor with scriptable layouts and impressive animations.

System Security/Firmware:

  • coreboot – Open source alternative to proprietary BIOS/UEFI firmware (though recent x86 still needs vendor blobs such as FSP/AGESA).
  • Heads – coreboot + Linux payload providing TPM-measured, tamper-evident boot for select laptops.
  • nix-mineral - NixOS module for convenient system hardening.
  • TrenchBoot – Framework for dynamic root-of-trust (DRTM) launches via Intel TXT, AMD SKINIT, or SEV-ES.

Applications/Tools:

  • Android Translation Layer - Run Android apps natively on Linux (still in early development).
  • Emacs – The self-extensible Lisp machine masquerading as a text editor; someday I'll embrace the config rabbit hole.
  • Olive – FOSS non-linear video editor in alpha.
  • systemd-sysext – Overlay read-only /usr and /opt (or /etc via confext) with extra images; extensions auto-activate at boot or can be merged/unmerged/refreshed live with a single command. Handy for immutable distros, though it’s additive-only and not a full package manager.

What open-source projects are you admiring from afar? Time to compare notes!

 

Fellow open-source enthusiasts,

We all have that mental backlog of promising projects — those distros, tools, and systems we keep tabs on but haven't yet deployed. Perhaps you're waiting for that mythical free weekend, lacking a spare/compatible device or just holding out until that one killer feature drops.

FWIW, my 'someday' list includes:

Operating Systems/Distros:

  • Gentoo – Source-based meta-distribution driven by Portage and USE-flags for near-granular control; binary packages also available if you'd rather skip marathon compile sessions.
  • Guix System – GNU's functional, declarative distro built with Guile Scheme.
  • MocaccinoOS – Image-based, container-built distro that originated from Gentoo/Sabayon but now uses the Luet package manager and OTA-like updates.
  • NixOS – Declarative Linux distribution using the Nix package language.
  • Qubes OS – Security-focused OS that uses Xen virtualization to compartmentalize your digital life into isolated environments with a unified desktop.
  • Spectrum – In-development security-oriented OS built on Nixpkgs using KVM-based microVMs for compartmentalization.

Desktop Environments/Window Managers:

  • COSMIC - System76's comprehensive Wayland-native desktop environment written in Rust.
  • Hyprland – Dynamic tiling Wayland compositor with scriptable layouts and impressive animations.

System Security/Firmware:

  • coreboot – Open source alternative to proprietary BIOS/UEFI firmware (though recent x86 still needs vendor blobs such as FSP/AGESA).
  • Heads – coreboot + Linux payload providing TPM-measured, tamper-evident boot for select laptops.
  • nix-mineral - NixOS module for convenient system hardening.
  • TrenchBoot – Framework for dynamic root-of-trust (DRTM) launches via Intel TXT, AMD SKINIT, or SEV-ES.

Applications/Tools:

  • Android Translation Layer - Run Android apps natively on Linux (still in early development).
  • Emacs – The self-extensible Lisp machine masquerading as a text editor; someday I'll embrace the config rabbit hole.
  • Olive – FOSS non-linear video editor in alpha.
  • systemd-sysext – Overlay read-only /usr and /opt (or /etc via confext) with extra images; extensions auto-activate at boot or can be merged/unmerged/refreshed live with a single command. Handy for immutable distros, though it’s additive-only and not a full package manager.

What open-source projects are you admiring from afar? Time to compare notes!

 

Fellow open-source enthusiasts,

We all have that mental backlog of promising projects — those distros, tools, and systems we keep tabs on but haven't yet deployed. Perhaps you're waiting for that mythical free weekend, lacking a spare/compatible device or just holding out until that one killer feature drops.

FWIW, my 'someday' list includes:

Operating Systems/Distros:

  • Gentoo – Source-based meta-distribution driven by Portage and USE-flags for near-granular control; binary packages also available if you'd rather skip marathon compile sessions.
  • Guix System – GNU's functional, declarative distro built with Guile Scheme.
  • MocaccinoOS – Image-based, container-built distro that originated from Gentoo/Sabayon but now uses the Luet package manager and OTA-like updates.
  • NixOS – Declarative Linux distribution using the Nix package language.
  • Qubes OS – Security-focused OS that uses Xen virtualization to compartmentalize your digital life into isolated environments with a unified desktop.
  • Spectrum – In-development security-oriented OS built on Nixpkgs using KVM-based microVMs for compartmentalization.

Desktop Environments/Window Managers:

  • COSMIC - System76's comprehensive Wayland-native desktop environment written in Rust.
  • Hyprland – Dynamic tiling Wayland compositor with scriptable layouts and impressive animations.

System Security/Firmware:

  • coreboot – Open source alternative to proprietary BIOS/UEFI firmware (though recent x86 still needs vendor blobs such as FSP/AGESA).
  • Heads – coreboot + Linux payload providing TPM-measured, tamper-evident boot for select laptops.
  • nix-mineral - NixOS module for convenient system hardening.
  • TrenchBoot – Framework for dynamic root-of-trust (DRTM) launches via Intel TXT, AMD SKINIT, or SEV-ES.

Applications/Tools:

  • Android Translation Layer - Run Android apps natively on Linux (still in early development).
  • Emacs – The self-extensible Lisp machine masquerading as a text editor; someday I'll embrace the config rabbit hole.
  • Olive – FOSS non-linear video editor in alpha.
  • systemd-sysext – Overlay read-only /usr and /opt (or /etc via confext) with extra images; extensions auto-activate at boot or can be merged/unmerged/refreshed live with a single command. Handy for immutable distros, though it’s additive-only and not a full package manager.

What open-source projects are you admiring from afar? Time to compare notes!

 

While this is an especially great development for the Fedora Atomic aficionados among us, I wouldn't be surprised if we'll be hearing a lot more from sysexts as (yet another) avenue for installing software, particularly on other atomic/immutable distros. The concept itself isn't new - Flatcar has been utilizing this approach for some time (and has been a significant influence on this Fedora initiative).

The gist would be that it basically allows installing software natively without the traditional rpm-ostree layering method. This approach eliminates both the lengthy installation times and reboot requirements typically associated with that process. Though, it doesn't seem to completely replace the conventional method as it comes with certain limitations (as per the developer):

They can not be used to:

  • install another kernel
  • install kernel modules
  • make changes to the initrd
  • make changes to /etc
  • add udev rules

For those wondering what is actually envisioned to be installed using this method, the software that's already available may shed some light 😉.

In any case, note that this is FAR from its final form. The (relative) complexity currently involved in installing and updating software reflects this clearly; don't expect shiny wrappers that will make all of us blissfully ignorant of the underlying complexity right away 😜.

 

While this is an especially great development for the Fedora Atomic aficionados among us, I wouldn't be surprised if we'll be hearing a lot more from sysexts as (yet another) avenue for installing software, particularly on other atomic/immutable distros. The concept itself isn't new - Flatcar has been utilizing this approach for some time (and has been a significant influence on this Fedora initiative).

The gist would be that it basically allows installing software natively without the traditional rpm-ostree layering method. This approach eliminates both the lengthy installation times and reboot requirements typically associated with that process. Though, it doesn't seem to completely replace the conventional method as it comes with certain limitations (as per the developer):

They can not be used to:

  • install another kernel
  • install kernel modules
  • make changes to the initrd
  • make changes to /etc
  • add udev rules

For those wondering what is actually envisioned to be installed using this method, the software that's already available may shed some light 😉.

In any case, note that this is FAR from its final form. The (relative) complexity currently involved in installing and updating software reflects this clearly; don't expect shiny wrappers that will make all of us blissfully ignorant of the underlying complexity right away 😜.

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