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I don‘t think you‘re missing much, except that someone is able to want to support both the perpetrator and anyone who might be falsely accused of being him. So far we don‘t know and he did plead NOT guilty.

I‘ll try to explain my viewpoint further, I‘m against innocent people being convicted in a public court of opinion by media ahead of the trials and paraded around by police. In that case he needs the money for defense and I hope it all comes out.

I’m also against mass murder of people by for profit healthcare. I‘m not cheery about it having come to violence, it is tragic, but it seems like there is little hope for change left in broken US political system where lobbying money decides policy. Personally I don’t think hero fits, maybe antihero. Anyway, I‘ll still hope for the best possible outcome for him in that scenario, even if he is convicted of all that at least with the donations he might afford to fight it for a while and spread some more awareness on the issue.

Yeah so this quote isn‘t by him or his lawyers, it‘s from those running the fundraiser. I do think calling themselves "legal committee" is confusing too and why I didn’t trust it until now, but it does seem like they are truly in contact with the lawyers to get that money there at least.

I‘ve only met one vegan IRL, but it was pretty much exactly like the top, the bottom I’ve only seen online. They said to me if I more people reduce meat consumption that would be a great contribution to their cause. They didn‘t shame me, only explained their POV. I couldn‘t quite see it then, but agreed on parts of it. I did end up eating less meat and been vegetarian for a few months now, which I never thought possible.

Thanks for the rec, sounds interesting.

I‘m guessing for now all this data is functionally useless since there is too much of it and you can‘t really differentiate between shit poster and actual threat.

What I wonder though, if eventually some AI could predict future behaviour, like say they fed it digital footprints of those that go ahead and do something, could it spot those similar?

Well, I hope I‘ll be dead by then cause I don‘t want to see the future police states at work, it‘s bad enough as it is.

I think it‘s fair to have that opinion. I don‘t want to disregard all of the more pacifist people‘s points and I think they often have an important role in changing the world for the better. I also think violence sometimes is justified based on the conditions though.

So, I do have some notes on where we differ in our thinking based on your comment:

1: Death penalty to me is not comparable since the state, unlike an individual, has the power and resources available to dispense alternative punishments (prison, fines).

2: The state is also at fault for the conditions pictured in the meme, since it supports and rewards the processes that made BT possible, peaceful change seemingly impossible (check out study behind this https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba ) and LM (allegedly) inevitable.

3: We can never know the future, nor can we tell with certainty even afterwards if some small event like this has an impact. That doesn’t mean none of them were worthwhile though. For an example, do you think John Brown affected change?

It was similar with the original too, it was removed, restored and then removed again. Then they gave up I think. I follow the creator now cause I finally ran into a repost mentioning them (@rosariofromnj is their handle).

I tried to sign up 2 days ago, but so far no email from them and I can‘t login without that. It also sounds like they might be a bit strict on what videos they accept in this test phase, I‘ll try though.

I‘ve also started downloading more Luigi edits since they‘re being removed left and right, but most aren‘t that good.

Can‘t even say Deny Defend Depose in that sub, and who knows what else can get you banned there. Saying BT deserved it, for sure would. Not blaming mods for that since they‘re just trying their best to keep it alive, but Reddit has been lost to any controversial discourse for a long time (it‘s why I signed up here originally).

Like yeah, I‘d like to have a moral argument with someone who thinks political violence is always wrong, but we ain‘t ever going to have it on there in a real way, cause if I don‘t self-censor my side of it, it‘s going to get me banned.

Sharing news on the case and memes like this one, so just wondering if anything is on here. Guess it‘s a no?

Anyone know of any Luigi community on Lemmy yet? I tried, but can‘t really find one, it would be nice to have since they‘re all getting banned off Reddit.

I‘m a piracy fan and I‘m on dbzer0 instance as it‘s an offshoot of r/piracy. I barely post and lurk more, so I don‘t really know how they‘d moderate on the Luigi situation. The owner seems to be an anarchist and historically anarchist action wasn‘t all peaceful, most anarchists seem to support a "diversity of tactics" one of which is violence. Which makes sense to me, it’s like self defense cause what Americans are dealing with here is structural violence and what looks like zero hope for change.