olivecrest

I would 100% go if I knew all my fellow protesters were only going to protest.

Lots of people are very angry- which is valid and I get it - but personally I am not interested in violence or destruction of property. It’s hard to know if those things will be part of a protest or not.

I have gone and will go to protests, but fear that they will turn chaotic makes me less likely to go. Also not at all convinced that small ones are effective, and big ones are rare.

So why would someone lack empathy?

Like if there is a 4 year old whose parents hit them - then they go to school and hit other kids. Is the 4 year old evil? Or were they taught that behavior?

I’m not saying that adults are 4 years old and aren’t responsible for their actions, I’m just saying that some people have VERY different opportunities than you and I have had.

People are complicated, but my (liberal) values are exactly what one would expect me to have if you look at my upbringing and education. If I had a different education and upbringing I almost certainly would have different values.

Not fun to admit, but true.

I prefer to call actions bad rather than people. People are pretty complicated, and it’s not a level playing field.

What if a person bought a Tesla 10 years ago (before folks knew what an asshole Musk was) to reduce dependence on foreign oil.

Do you think that person deserves to have their car vandalized?

You sound really angry.

Action taken based on anger and hatred is different than action motivated by compassion and morality.

I am 100% in support of boycotting Tesla.

Just if someone bought a Tesla as their personal vehicle 10 years ago because they wanted an environmentally friendly car - before we knew what an asshole Musk was - I don’t think they deserve to have their personal property damaged/destroyed.

Valid.

So you are all in with “us vs them” politics.

Yay my team and fuck the other guys they suck.

Most people I know keep a car for 10+ years. The Thai thing was like six years ago and he wasn’t on my radar before then.

This is SUPER helpful and thoughtful and I thank you.

Like when we start doing research in a nuanced and scientific way then the folks who aren’t part of the scientific community can very easily “wildly gesture” racism and say “it’s science”.

So it is not that there aren’t differences, it’s that if we aren’t very careful then valid research can get inaccurately used to support racism/sexism.

I don’t remember the details but I feel like way back the president of Harvard said something about sex differences and got fired and what he said didn’t seem incorrect to me. It really bothered me. But maybe it was more “in a leadership position you need to be aware of how people will twist your words” than “what you said was true but we want to pretend it’s not”.

Do you feel like calling a whole group “these people” is a helpful approach?

Lots of people aren’t online as much as you and I are. They might have bought an EV for environmental reasons 10 years ago without even noticing who owned the company.

So why are they idiots do you think? Like are you just naturally and inherently superior to all of them?

Or maybe they were raised differently than you were and taught different things than you were. Exposed to different ideas. Maybe they lack knowledge because they went to a shitty school rather than because they are inferior.

Or that is just an excuse because I don’t want to admit that they are idiots. Idiots who strangely enough don’t want to vote for people who are convinced they are idiots.