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TFLOPs generally correlate to actual, general game performance quite well.

A very demanding game will do poorly on a gpu with a given TFLOPs score, but a less demanding one may do fairly well.

So, if you can roughly dial things into a TFLOPs value, you can get a result that is then generally applicable to all games.

The most graphically demanding games require the most TFLOPs out of a GPU to render well and fast, but less demanding games can be fine with a lower TFLOPs GPU.

Like... a GPU with a medium high TFLOPs score may only be able to push about 50 fps on CP77 ultra w/o RT, but it could likely easily hit something like 200ish FPS in say, CounterStike2, both games at 4k.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/all-games-with-ps5-pro-enhancements.1026072/

A PS5Pro can render CP77 at 'quality mode' ...which is roughly the 'high' graphical quality preset of CP77 on PCs, with... I believe all raytracing other than raytraced shadows off...

... at 2k30fps, or it can render at a dynamicly scaling resolution between 2k and 1080p at a locked 60fps.

https://www.gpu-monkey.com/en/benchmark-amd_radeon_rx_6700-cyberpunk_2077

An RX 6700 can render CP77 at 2k, 43 fps avg.

This site isn't 100% clear as to whether these GPU scores are done at the 'high' preset, or the 'ultra', all settings maxed out preset... but with all raytracing off.

https://www.gpu-monkey.com/en/benchmark-amd_radeon_rx_6600-cyberpunk_2077

A 6600 can do the same, high or ultra preset, with no raytracing, at 2k, with 31 fps.

1080p at 51 fps.

So uh yeah, even with the top of the line PS5 variant, the PS5Pro's graphical capabilities are a bit worse than a 6700, and a bit better than a 6600.

I have used many AMD cards, and yeah basically, if you only use raytraced local shadows?

At 1080p, or 2k?

Very roughly, you'll get about the same fps with a 'high' preset, and only raytraced local shadows, as you would with no rt local shadows, but the game's graphical preset bumped up to 'ultra'.

There are now like 6 different raytracing options in the PC version of CP77.

They only work well with Nvidia cards... and the latest iteration of AMD cards, that now have basically their equivalent of RT cores, though they're not as powerful, nor as expensive, as Nvidia cards.

Needless to say, PS5... normals, or whatever, are going to be even weaker than the 'somewhere between an rx 6600 and rx 6700' rough equivalence.

...

Playstation users only even see about 10% of all the graphical settings options that PC players see, really just the 4 post processing effects and motiin blur. PC players get many, many more settings they can tweak around.

Also, PS5 users generally seem to think CP77 is being rendered at 4k, in quality mode.

Uh, no, it isn't, its rendered at 2k max, and that is likely using FSR 2.1,with a bit of dynamic frame upscaling within CP77, meaning the actual real render resolution is roughly 5% to 15 % lower than 2k, then FSR upscales to 2k,... then the PS5 does its own upscaling outside of the game, likely via an emulator style simple integer upscale algo, to display at 4k on a 4k TV.

... I am saying all of this with confidence because I have spent a considerable amount of time fucking with customizing dynamjc resolution scaling, and other graphical settings, in CP77, on different AMD cards, on PCs.

The PS5Pro is using the same dynamic resolution scaling that exists in CP77 on PCs. PCs generally do best with an 'Auto' mode for various frame upscalers, but the dynamic setting on PC basically lets you throw out the auto settings and fuck about with your own custom tolerances for max and min resolutions and frame rates.

I mean... I can see that theoretically working... but not with the way Bethesda handles companions.

If your companion is functionally invulnerable, and the 'points' systems that govern their disposition toward you are very simplistic and easily gamed... yeah this would be very, very cheesy and janky, and because there's no real agency on the part of your spouse, along with no real risk of them ever being seriously, permanently hurt or killed, it would all feel fake and stupid.

...

But!

You could make a very compelling game with a while bunch of branching plot paths based on key, pivotal decision/priority moments relating to how you and your spouse agree or disagree on things.

Something like this, done well, could be a very compelling New Game +, for FO4, or just a whole different game.

If you made a game where... you know, your spouse can fucking die, and the game can move on after that?

No invulnerability, no 'severed thread of prophecy' shit...

If you could actually take the concept seriously, I can see a game working around the core concept of 'you and your spouse try to survive the apocalypse'.

Maybe theres certain 'good' endings where you two fight a bit, but ultimately reconcile and defeat some greater foe, achieve some good goal.

'Bad' endings where you piss off your spouse so much that they actually leave you, form a faction against you, force you into a moral bind where you have to kill them to do what you think is right.

Maybe theres middling endings where you do achieve big goal, but at the cost of your relationship, or your spouses life.

...

There are ways something like this could work, but I have 0 confidence that Bethesda is competent to either write compelling plot and dialogue for this, nor do I think they could actually code, actually structure a game that allows for all this.

They can handle basically side quests that modify the totality of an end state in fairly superficial ways, but I don't think they can even concept design a game where the actual core plot is quite variable.

... All Im really aware of as far as terminology goes is that basically its different everywhere, even inside the US.

What it was for me: grades 1 - 5 are elementary, 6-8 are middle school and 9 -12 is high school.

But different areas ... either don't do a middle school, or call it something else, or its only 2 grades instead of 3... it varies.

By the time you are done with all this, you are 18 yo.

So... 2nd grade is basically the schooling level of an 8 yo. 6th grade is the schooling of a 12 yo.

After that, you're going to a college, community college, university, something like that, to get a 2 or 4 year year degree (associates or bachelors), then another 2 after a bachelors for a masters, roughly another 2 after that for a PhD (doctorate).. but there is also variation in terms of exact education track and how long it actually takes to complete them vs how long its 'supposed to take'.

Public education in the US generally stops at grade 12, and then any college/etc after that is 'secondary', as in 'optional'.

EDIT: Adjusted age dates. I just woke up from a nap, blarrrgh.

Yeah.

The US is indeed, completely insane, compared to the rest of the developed world, but the average person has no other frame of reference.

Literacy rates in the US are down to 80%, by the way.

20% of the adult population cannot read or write beyond a 2nd grade level.

The average literacy ability is a 5th/6th grade level.

So... something like 2/3 of the country has reading and writing skills below that of what a high school (primary school, before a college or uni) graduate is supposed to have.

Our school systems are collapsing.

(And yes, you may notice that proportion of people with sub high school literacy rates is so large that it also includes many people with Uni/College degrees. Yep. That is correct. Many of those also fail to teach basic writing skills before giving someone a degree.)

Alberta: NorthMidNorth

Yep, I'm going to the MidEast for a business trip next month.

What? Doha?

No, New York, New York City...

$5k is roughly 1/4 the cost...

... of a birth.

Alone. Just, average medical costs of a birth, without insurance.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/health-insurance/how-much-does-it-cost-to-have-a-baby/

https://www.uwhealth.org/news/how-much-does-it-really-cost-have-baby

... And they are slashing Medicaid.

If you do have insurance... $5k is about half the cost of a birth.

So... congrats, you can have two kids, and then uh lol have fun paying the cost of raising two kids, which is about half a million dollars.

And that's just to 18, btw, this assumes those kids can find a job immediately after high school and move out into a place they can afford on an entry level income.

Which uh, is basically wildly unrealistic at this point.

Because all entry level jobs require 2-3 years of experience.

And housing costs are insane.

... Also your Mom is banging the guy who gave her the rat.

Ah, my alma mater.

One of the first protests I was a part of ... way back in 08, was the very same issue, pro-Palestinian advocacy.

Back then we aimed at occupying a different building, but seeing as this new building (that didn't exist when I was there) was literally funded by Boeing, the MIC... yeah, its more fitting.

I never cared for football or anything, but uh Go Dawgs!

Because no one else has yet commented this:

Fuck The Police.

Sorry, I ... well, I was recently diagnosed with PTSD.

And a significant part of that... is I am so, so, very used to people just misinterpreting what I actually said, then in their heads, they heard /something else/, and then they respond to /something else/, they continue to believe I said /something else/, even after I explain to them that isn',t what I said, and then they tell everyone else that I said /something else/.

(there are many other things that go into the PTSD, but they are waaaay outside of the scope of this discussion)

I, again, realize and aporeciate that you responded to both interpretations...

But I am just a bit triggered.

I am so, so, very used to being gaslit by... most of my family, and many, many other people in my life, who just seemingly willfully misinterpret me consistently, or are literally incapable of hearing/reading without just inventing and inserting their own interpretation.

... Whole lot of my family has very serious mental health disorders, and I've also happened to have a very bad run of many bosses and former friends and ex partners who just do the same thing, all the time.

Took me a long time to just... get away from all these toxic situations, and finally be able to pursue mental health evaluation/treatment on my own accord.

I'm not saying you 'intentionally triggered me' or anything like that, that would be a ridiculous judgement from me, and you have been very polite, and informative... I'm just trying to explain myself, lol.

As to the actual technical info: yes, everything you are saying lines up with my understanding, its nice to know I know what these words and terms mean in this context, and my understanding is ... in line with reality.

addie said:

Integrated memory on a desktop computer is more "partitioned" than shared

Then I wrote my own reply to them, as you did.

And then I also wrote this, under your reply to them:

Can you explain to me what the person you are replying to meant by 'integrated memory on a desktop pc'?

And now you are saying:

So, for starters I never mentioned "integrated memory", I wrote "integrated graphics", i.e. the CPU chip comes together with a GPU, either as two dies in the same chip package or even both on the same die.

I mean, I do genuinely appreciate your detailed, technical explanations of these systems and hardware and their inner functions...

But also, I didn't say you said integrated memory.

I said the person you are replying to, addie, said integrated memory.

I was asking you to perhaps be able to explain what they meant... because they don't seem to know what they're trying to say.

But now you have misunderstood what I said, what I asked, lol.

You replied to addie ... I think, as if they had written 'integrated graphics'. But they didn't say that. They said 'integrated memory'.

And... unless I am ... really, really missing something... standard desktop PCs... do not have any kind of integrated memory, beyond like... very, very small areas where the mobo bios is stored, but that is almost 100% irrelevant to discussion about video game rendering capabilities.

As you say, you have to go back 20+ years to find desktop PCs with Mobos that have their own SRAM... everything else is part of the GPU or CPU die, and thus ... isn't integrated. As GPUs and CPUs are removable, swappable, on standard desktop PCs.

Eitherway, again, I do appreciate your indepth technical info!