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[–] SharkEatingBreakfast@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They had a 14-year old kid with them. That poor kid didn't deserve to have been led to his death because of the adults he had no choice but to depend on.

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Are you more angry at the people trying to escape the crazy system than you are at the system that drove them out?

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The adult who dragged a kid along was trying to create her own system, which undeniably isolated him, subjected him to suffering, and killed him, so yeah I'm angry at that on his behalf.

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

She was afraid, ignorant, and uneducated. How do you think she got that way?

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

She got that way because you personally didn't teach her a better way of living. You're personally responsible for these deaths, including that of the child.

Why, why would you do this, @TrismegistusMx? Why? Why?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is it a contest? Can't you be angry at both the system and people endangering their children and that is enough?

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you get mad at rabbits that run away from dogs and into the line of fire of the hunter?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Humans are not rabbits. What a terrible analogy. I get mad at any human that intentionally endangers their child. I don't know why you don't object to child abuse.

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

If you can't understand the metaphor for what it is, then you're below the threshold for understanding how a person living under a constant threat of starvation and death might make poor decisions. I think we're done here. Don't bother me again.

[–] nefarious@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, because they died in an incredibly predictable way by going out unprepared and they brought a kid to die with them.

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They thought they were going to be killed by capitalism in decline.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They thought wrong, obviously.

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They likely would have died in society as well, from poverty, cancer, addiction, or suicide. They were drowning in one world so they sought refuge in another. There was no happy ending in wait.

[–] nuke@yah.lol 1 points 2 years ago

They likely would have died in society as well, from poverty, cancer, addiction, or suicide

Lol great rational for killing your kid. They could possibly, maybe, die anyway so better just get it over with right? She was an idiot and her stupidity lead to the death of an innocent child.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You seem very eager to justify this tragedy as if it was inevitable, and not the result of very avoidable choices. Are you okay?

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

That's your strawman argument, not related to anything I've said.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There is no “system” that drove them out. This was a choice they made. A bad one.

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’d love an explanation if you don’t mind.

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

There's no "system."

Me: Gestures to everything.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

…. That drove them out. You left that part out.

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh, sure. There's absolutely no reason for anybody to be dissatisfied by the current system. Everything is pretty much perfect!

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You just love manufacturing arguments, don’t you?

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Says the guy who's trying to argue that there's no global system that disenfranchises people.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Again, I never said there’s no system that disenfranchises people. You realize you’re saying this in response to me accusing you of manufacturing arguments out of nothing.

What I said was, they were not forced by “the system” to do anything. Any more than you have been. Or do you live in the woods currently?

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Who used the word "force?" The system is coercive and entropic. Work where you're allowed until you die. You get paid what you are allotted. Your value is based on your job and your ability to earn. If you're a woman or a minority, you're second class. Police budgets grow and enforcement becomes more violent every year. Politicians and CEOs are working together to exploit your labor until you die early from chronic disease.

I didn't think I had to break it down as if I was explaining to a child, but here we are. Now pretend like you don't understand why she ran.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay, you’re clearly not smart enough to have this discuss with and I feel that continuing it any further would be taking advantage of you.

Enjoy your day. I hope you get better.

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm the dunce here. Dunning-Kruger Club, represent.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago

Good. Admitting you have a problem is half the battle. There’s hope.