If Ukrainians already wanted to align with the EU, then why did they democratically elect Yanukovych, which the US subsequently couped in coordination with the Banderites?

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 6 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Why did they vote in the guy that said “For Ukraine, association with the European Union must become an important stimulus for forming a modern European state,” and that he was going to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement? That does not seem at all contradictory to me. His sudden U-turn on that was what got the Ukrainian people so pissed at him

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I wasn’t there, and I’m not going to assume that one quote is representative of his entire history or even that entire political campaign. The electoral map shows that in general he was liked by the Russian-aligned electorate and disliked by the European-aligned electorate.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I wasn't there either, but I do know that on his inaugration he said "Ukraine's integration with the EU remains our strategic aim."

Are you saying that since he was more popular in the east, he must have been against EU integration?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

When Yanukovych was couped, Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea seceded. If they had wanted EU integration, why would they have taken such extreme measures, and why did they turn to Russia for support? Russia ran into virtually no problems in annexing and integrating Crimea, because most Crimeans were on board with it. And good thing, too, because their Donetsk and Luhansk neighbors subsequently suffered nine years of Banderite terror.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You're retreading the exact same ground that I already went over with Grapho in this same thread

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

You handwaved it away and deflected back to your State department bullet points and atrocity propaganda.

Fact: there was a US financed coup.

Fact: states have a right to secede under Ukrainian law by referendum, and they exercised that right when their sovereignty was violated

Fact: sovereign nations have a right to request aid from their allies. Donetsk and Lugansk exercised that right when Ukrainian Nazis refused to abide by the many ceasefires Russia helped to negotiate.